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corywah 03-31-2007 12:39 PM

Way to go, Premium Tap!

randallscott35 03-31-2007 12:39 PM

I can't understand why they put Discreet Cat in the back like that. The pace wasn't much and he had the 1 hole. Go to the front....He had nothing. Nothing....Maybe something amiss.

That 2nd by Bernie to this horse looks better and better.

TitanSooner 03-31-2007 12:40 PM

Invasor has now beaten the " two greatest horses ever. "

Danzig 03-31-2007 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ALostTexan
Now what the hell do we do for four hours 'till the Florida Derby?

i'm considering whether i want to play ps2, or medieval total war on the pc....

Scav 03-31-2007 12:40 PM

They should have never put Frankie on that horse. They should have stuck with Gomez, different result.

Frankie tried running this race like it was in Europe, when it was run like an American race

Left Bank 03-31-2007 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ALostTexan
Now what the hell do we do for four hours 'till the Florida Derby?

Get up here for lunch.I am buying!!:D

Left Bank 03-31-2007 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
been on him since he was going to make his debut here in america. have seen no reason to come off the guy either!

he avenged his loss a year ago at this track. best in the world. thanks to hiw owner for keeping him out there for us to enjoy!!!

I hope they bring him back to race in the USA this year.

Danzig 03-31-2007 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TitanSooner
Invasor has now beaten the " two greatest horses ever. "

lol

true, too true.

i bet the sheik is oh so pissed at his bro. twice now he was a loser to the south american upstart.

Danzig 03-31-2007 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmeastar
I hope they bring him back to race in the USA this year.

he'll be here. thank god for obscure stallions from south america.

i had the thought that bernardini shoulda been there. he should have! certainly gave invasor more of a fit then too discreet cat.

Danzig 03-31-2007 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Scavs, he never lifted a foot the entire race. Had nothing to do with Dettori. Come on. You guys are giving these jockeys way too much credit. They aren't miracle workers, the horses do the work.

for about the first half mile i was saying 'why is HE back there, and HE up there???'

discreet had nothing today. hope everything is well, and they don't just retire him...knowing his owner, he's quick to throw them into the shed. DC has been much better then that...

Scav 03-31-2007 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Scavs, he never lifted a foot the entire race. Had nothing to do with Dettori. Come on. You guys are giving these jockeys way too much credit. They aren't miracle workers, the horses do the work.

I saw it differently, he never got comfortable, he tried to put him up the rail. He had horse, and then he wrapped him up at the top of the stretch because he wasn't getting anywhere near. Horse wanted no part of the rail and all those horses around him

ateamstupid 03-31-2007 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Scavs, he never lifted a foot the entire race. Had nothing to do with Dettori. Come on. You guys are giving these jockeys way too much credit. They aren't miracle workers, the horses do the work.

Thank you. I don't want to hear anything about the jockey or the distance doing in Discreet Cat. The freaking horse didn't run a step.

randallscott35 03-31-2007 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I saw it differently, he never got comfortable, he tried to put him up the rail. He had horse, and then he wrapped him up at the top of the stretch because he wasn't getting anywhere near. Horse wanted no part of the rail and all those horses around him

I agree it could've been different. They were going really slow up front and he rushed him in between, then stopped him a bit and by then the front 2 were long gone. Send him and see what happens. Strange.

Danzig 03-31-2007 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Thank you. I don't want to hear anything about the jockeys or the distance doing in Discreet Cat. The freaking horse didn't run a step.

he sure didn't.

it wasn't the ride or the distance--would make no sense to say it was due to 10f, he was out of it from the start.
just hope it wasn't the last time we see him.

randallscott35 03-31-2007 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cmfhb411
I know that wasn't Discreet Cat's race, but now.......

Maybe some of these public handicappers can stop making such a big deal about DC's 1:32 and change at Aqueduct, on that paved highway.

Once again the World Cup didn't disappoint.
And good for Fernando Jara.

Yes let's take away everything the horse ever did b/c he's run 1 bad race in his career. I agree. How silly you are.

Danzig 03-31-2007 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cmfhb411
I know that wasn't Discreet Cat's race, but now.......

Maybe some of these public handicappers can stop making such a big deal about DC's 1:32 and change at Aqueduct, on that paved highway.

Once again the World Cup didn't disappoint.
And good for Fernando Jara.

i don't think one has anything to do with the other. this is DC's first bad race, it happens to just about all of them. just like it happened to invasor a year ago.

ateamstupid 03-31-2007 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35
Yes let's take away everything the horse ever did b/c he's run 1 bad race in his career. I agree. How silly you are.

Randall, you've gotta remember: This is the place where people call Bernardini an overrated cow for losing by a length to Invasor.

Pedigree Ann 03-31-2007 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
he'll be here. thank god for obscure stallions from south america.
.

Not so obscure; his sire Candy Stripes has also given us Different (Beverley D and Spinster S), Leroidesanimaux (champion turfer), a batch of group winners in the Southern Hemiphere, including an Oaks winner in South Africa, and his daughter Candy Girl foaled Candy Ride (Pacific Classic, you remember that awesome race). Son of Blushing Groom out of a Lyphard mare, hardly weird or obscure. Just not Storm Cat or A.P. Indy.

Danzig 03-31-2007 12:52 PM

7th race - Nad Al Sheba - Dubai World Cup Classic - March 31, 2007 Pgm Horse Win Place Show
7 Invasor (ARG) $4.00 $2.10
5 Premium Tap $2.80
3 Bullish Luck $13.60


$2 Exacta (7-5) Paid $13.60
$2 Trifecta (7-5-3) Paid $113.60
$1 Trifecta Box Paid $56.80
$2 Pick 3 (4/10/7,8) Paid $268.60 (3OF3)

randallscott35 03-31-2007 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Randall, you've gotta remember: This is the place where people call Bernardini an overrated cow for losing by a length to Invasor.

Yes, not a Mensa society around here Joe.

Danzig 03-31-2007 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Not so obscure; his sire Candy Stripes has also given us Different (Beverley D and Spinster S), Leroidesanimaux (champion turfer), a batch of group winners in the Southern Hemiphere, including an Oaks winner in South Africa, and his daughter Candy Girl foaled Candy Ride (Pacific Classic, you remember that awesome race). Son of Blushing Groom out of a Lyphard mare, hardly weird or obscure. Just not Storm Cat or A.P. Indy.


perhaps i should preface all posts like mine above in future with 'comparably'...yes, he's got a good sire--but had he been an ap indy, a storm cat, etc, he'd be retired now. sheesh. it's saturday, can we limit schooling to monday thru friday??

ALostTexan 03-31-2007 12:54 PM

Still nothing like the call for Invasor when he won the Pimlico Special, and started to stake his claim to a great horse, hearing that scream of IN-VA-SORE, THE ARGENTIAN INVASION, IN THE PIMLICO SPECIAL!!!

Still gives me chills, yet though he impressed me, I didn't and I don't think that many had a clue of just how special this horse was going to be over the past year, especially in that somewhat weak Special field...

ALostTexan

Danzig 03-31-2007 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Randall, you've gotta remember: This is the place where people call Bernardini an overrated cow for losing by a length to Invasor.

i really wish he'd been there today. but wishes don't mean a whole helluva lot.

SentToStud 03-31-2007 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
I agree. If Invasor runs his race, I don't think Tap can win. But if Invasor runs porly, I think Tap can beat Discreet Cat. I played two modest Exactas:

Invasor/Prem Tap ($14 for $2)
Prem Tap/Discreet Cat ($33 for $2)

10 mtp.

new motto... "SentToStud: Giving out winners since 1:45 today."

SentToStud 03-31-2007 01:03 PM

I'll be very surprised if Discreet Cat comes out of this race without some type of injury. Say what you will but he is far better than what we saw today. For him not to pass a horse in the stretch, I'd be surprised if he didn't get hurt. He also didn't look like he was moving well through the upper stretch.

brockguy 03-31-2007 01:04 PM

Invasor ran brilliantly, he was always travelling great and did the job so well - he's just such a tough horse.. disappointed DC didnt show more but there's doubts to whether he would have beaten Invasor anyway.
he only wins by just enough it seems Invasor, but boy is he some horse!

ArlJim78 03-31-2007 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
He was 2nd.

Congrats ArlJim..... on your many wins today!

thanks MMSC, but I only had a few.
my main man Invasor really made me proud, and a lot of money.
besides the pick three i cashed a large tri because I just had a feeling that DC was going to be out and you'll be happy to know that i keyed Bullish Luck third.:)

SentToStud 03-31-2007 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
thanks MMSC, but I only had a few.
my main man Invasor really made me proud, and a lot of money.
besides the pick three i cashed a large tri because I just had a feeling that DC was going to be out and you'll be happy to know that i keyed Bullish Luck third.:)

Well done AJ.

And it's only lunchtime.

ArlJim78 03-31-2007 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Well done AJ.

And it's only lunchtime.

thanks sts
I know, trying to decide what to do next. Just been soaking this up for awhile.

Looks like maybe time to dive in to GS, the big races are coming up.

Scurlogue Champ 03-31-2007 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
thanks MMSC, but I only had a few.
my main man Invasor really made me proud, and a lot of money.
besides the pick three i cashed a large tri because I just had a feeling that DC was going to be out and you'll be happy to know that i keyed Bullish Luck third.:)

Congrats from me as well. I'm glad someone did well.

I keyed that South African filly in the Golden Shaheen in a bunch of pick three's and she didn't run a step.

Good for you on getting some wins.

my miss storm cat 03-31-2007 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
and you'll be happy to know that i keyed Bullish Luck third.:)

Good for you!!!:)

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Replays...


http://www.dubaiworldcup.com/media/v...ideo_2007.asp#

http://www.ntra.com/video.aspx?id=24354

philcski 03-31-2007 02:30 PM

I hit the pick 3 with Invasor, but felt it was a little short. Shouldn't in two 16 horse fields a 11-1 (7th choice) with 6-1 (5th choice) (both foreign horses at that) pay better than $268 (almost exactly the parlay value)? Or am I overestimating the blind stupidity of the American public?

I was expecting it to be in the $500-600 range.

brianwspencer 03-31-2007 05:27 PM

What a race! I finally got home and saw it. I've never been a huge fan of Discreet Cat, but I've thought that he was a very talented animal. I don't think that this race does much to disprove his talent, because we know it's there. But like Bernardini, I've never thought he was quite as good as some people make him sound, especially when stacked next to Invasor like Bernie was.

I think that this race is less about showing that Cat is not as good as some say (even though he's not), as it is that maybe we can finally get around to giving Invasor the props he deserves and has been deserving of since the Pimlico race. I think that great horses overcome adversity and trips that they aren't used to having, and Cat showed nothing today at all. We can blame him being at the back all we want, but Invasor has run races out of his comfort zone and has eaten the track at Gulfstream and still overcome it.

I've always thought that Skip Away was the best horse "of my time," but I may very well have been watching the best horse of my time today.

Hey, a few more starts and he'll be the richest racehorse by American-calculated earnings, right? What's he need, like another 2 million to pass Skip?

brianwspencer 03-31-2007 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Ten billion WP on Invasor.

With that, I'm out of here for the day -- can't know who wins until I get home to watch it!

Won a cool thirty and a half bil.

Pointg5 03-31-2007 08:12 PM

It had nothing to do with the jockey. DC is a glass horse, a talented and but fragile horse. I wouldn't be surprised if that's it for him, something had to happen. I still don't think he beats Invasor on his best day. Invasor is a tremendous horse, I think he won on guts alone, he didn't look like he had much of a burst at the end, he just broke Premium Tap's heart.


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