well at this point im definitly attached i think he is a great sire, but i ment i was standing by the fact that i cannot call saddlers wells the best sire in the world because he dosent produce on both surfaces....i can say the best in ireland, or europe, but not in the world

I will bet you that Giants Causeway has zero grade 1 winners on the dirt this year.

How about the best in Europe, Asia, Dubai, and Austrilia? That is a lot of the world

you got it

he has a very good one who broke his maiden belive it or not at laurel, i forgot the name though, when i saw him break his maiden i thought superstar it was on dirt, he was 10-1 morning line got bet down pretty low. im going to go and try to find the name of this guy.

i cant find it, it was a first timer and jeremy rose rode, i dont think he has came back to run yet, 3yr old i think he can definitly make some noise

This is really a laughable argument. Go to Coolmores web site and check out the top 20 for Sadlers Wells. It is a nice list. He has produced 30% stakes placed runners with 18% stake winners. Unbelievable #'s. He is pretty old now and I dont believe that he covers many mares but if you are really interested in breeding you should learn as much as you can about stallions like this.

no listen your taking my argument the wrong way, i know saddlers wells and i have been looking at the website and everything, i realize how great he is, i will go read up on him some more, i guess i have phrased my argument the wrong way i guess i should say that giants causeway could be the best in the world, not that he is.

47 GC yearlings have been sold this year for an average of $55000. That is not the sign of a stallion that is going in the right direction, Shekh Mo's boycott or not.

see i dont understand that the site says the number 1 freshman sire in the world, and there selling for that little ?

giants causeway has sired 24 stakes winners, 15 of them graded stakes in a very short period of time, i dont understand how he can be going in that direction

i think the name of that horse is giants promise, very very nice pedigree.... take a look its on the coolmore website, and im not saying this guy compares to any of saddlers wells grade 1 winners but this could be a very nice horse to watch down the road that not to many ppl know about

NO one can explain that...all they do is quote the yearling sales prices...

My opinion as I stated in a prior post is the first years' here, Coolmore bred GC to 191+ mares...or anyone who payed the 300k...bound to be duds. I think that GC is now private because Coolmore is being very selective after flooding the market with GC's progeny. As stated, the boycott by the sheik's has to hurt the numbers too.

Sadler's Wells has been at it a lot longer than GC, so that comparison is skewed.

ok, thanks

im going to bed goodnight all

Giant's Promise is not the horse you're talking about. . .

as Chuck says, Sadlers still the best til he goes.. He mightnt have had many dirt performers but the sample hasnt been that big and he has produced horses who have sired dirt performers such as El prado and the likes..

Giant's will be a very succesful stallion but the next best could well be a shoot out between Montjeu and Galileo.. The former had a great start but he passed his quirkiness along to alot of his offspring, who seem a little headstrong. Galileo had Sixties Icon, Red Rocks etc last year and the most exciting horse on the planet at the moment (my view) Teofilo..

Hey Brock, do you know what the plans are for Teofilo? I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do this year..

yeah, he'll start off without a prep (norm these days) for the 2000 Guineas.. If he wins that it'll be the Triple Crown route, so the Derby, the St.Leger.a big season is planned. The TC is rarely tried here and hasnt been done since Nijinsky in 1970

Bingo.

By the way, I would think that Street Cry is headed in the right direction.

thanks for the info! Hope he runs well.

He can get a runner, but has terrible front legs and passes it on quite often.

For my money the best in the world are: Sadler's Wells, A.P. Indy, Redoute's Choice, El Prado, Gone West, Encosta de Lago, and Not For Love.

Redoute's Choice produces the best offspring ive ever seen time & time again,
Some of his yearlings come in at the 500 kilo mark ( not sure in american weight that would be ) Now if we could only get him on the breeders Cup stallion list;)
There would be no more talk of street cry:cool:

I like Not For Love as well... He's got some good two-year-olds this year that I'm going to be watching for when they make their starts.

And if they had given in and moved him to KY years ago, he'd be standing for $100k. He gets a bunch of quality horses out of very average mares.

He is a steal for 25k with all the great horses on the dam side. He
was a modest racehorse compared to full brother Rythm who
can't sire anything. I couldn't believe when I went to Northview
stallion show they were considering lowering his fee to 20K, but
they didn't

They actually did for anyone signing a contract by Jan 1st. Then it went back to $25k.

you could exactly that about his best son Hurricane Run.. eerily similar profile.. A great Arc win followed by a decent first half 4yo season and then..

I actually like his son Duckhorn a lot.

Thanks for the info, I guess it pays to sign the contract
early sometimes.

Does anyone have any thoughts on how successful Deputy Storm will be? (He stands at Northview in Maryland as well.) He's a Forestry and built very similar to Discreet Cat. I'm curious to see how well he does.

He was suppose to stand last year but they didn't get enough bookings because in Pa. there was a Forestry son named Congressionalhonor who was standing. He is a Gr3 winning son out of Quiet Dance who is the dam of the late Saint Liam. He was booked to close to 100 mares last year. We have a 2week old filly by CHonor. Cajun a nice looking sire they had at Northview was Dance With Ravens who has an outstanding pedigree

I've seen him many times. They actually got him last year when they got Dance With Ravens (he might be the next Malibu Moon). He wasn't very popular, so they thought about racing him again, but didn't. He was as fast as they come. He is a bit smaller, but well put together. The $50k prize for being the breeder of the first winner of $100k is pretty cool. I think he'll throw young speedballs, but I'd advise to breed him to a larger mare.

Thank you for the info. I was just curious because his conformation is so similar to Discreet Cat's while Congressionalhonor's is not. What do you think of your new filly?

I'm familiar with Dance With Ravens... his dam is the half to Smart Strike (sire of the great and powerful ENGLISH CHANNEL :eek:) and also the dam of Dance Brightly, who sired one of my fave horses of last year, Bright One. RIP.

How small is he? Is he under 15.2 hands?