Originally Posted by sumitas

that's ur opinion. i'm entitled to mine dude. so get bent.

it would be good to give JS some more Latroienne.

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I remember seeing the weanling photos of Orientate's foals in Blood Horse and absolutely loving them, I like stallions that stamp themselves into the foal, to me they all seemed to have great laid back shoulders, well set necks and substantial hips, almost more like Quarter Horse foals.

Originally Posted by Balletto

He's a hell of a sexy piece of flesh in person other than that one scary ankle.

Originally Posted by redransom

It's actually the cannon bone above the ankle, but I believe his ankle is fused for support. When you look close you can see where the injury occurred; a displaced condylar fracture just above the fetlock joint. It resembles Saratoga Six's (may he rest in peace), but actually a lot better looking.

Jump Start is literally the kindest stallion I've ever been around, and one of the largest. He'll get you if you're not paying attention simply because he can, but you can play with him without ever worrying that he'll lay his ears back and bite you from pure spite. I'm happy Jump Start is doing so well, really.

Originally Posted by Linny

The fact is that with Gone West, Storm Cat and AP Indy all carrying Secretariat blood (through the female side) there is bound to be alot of "Sec. inbreeding."

Jump Start was a steal. He suffered a catastrophic injury which could have been fatal. He may have been one of the best of his crop but we'll never know. His first crop has 18 winners, conceived for $5k each to mares of moderate quality. His babies should stretch out well and are winning on all surfaces. Anyone who got in withhim early should be dancing for joy. Remember, many of those wins are coming at A league tracks like SAR, BEL and CD. That's not easy.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Lemme guess, you are a NY breeder and went to one of those "noble steeds" who stand here and weren't bright enough to go to Jump Start for 10 grand and have one on the ground or in the belly who is worth a hell of a lot more than that right?
Nah, you don't want be burdened with things like making a wise decision and profiting from it, so you instead preach to crickets chirping that a sire who stood for 10 grand who has 18 winners already in his first crop despite going to a less than stellar book of mares actually isn't a smashing success.
Lemme guess, you went to Tomorrows Cat and whoever is standing out in Unadilla these days right?

Originally Posted by Fanofthejuiceguys

Oracle one suit:

It's nice to see you act like a douchebag when expressing yourself to everyone else as well.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Whats nicer are guys trying to explain that a sire who stood for a measly 5 grand in his debut year at stud with 18 winners, most at major tracks, is no good.
Whos the big lock today?

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Mike,
I like you.
At times you give good insights.
So does Sumitas. He speaks for himself.
I just wish you two wouldn't "dig in your heels".
Sumitas's mare is bred to Desert Warrior. It took him lots of thought to come up with this. No need to disrespect his choice, even though it might not agree with yours. Heck, if I could afford to ship one of mine to Jump Start, I certainly would. As of now, I'll take what I've got.
Peace brothers.
DTS

Originally Posted by oracle80

I wish him the very best of luck, I truly do. Hope his mare throws a nice one who sells or runs well.
But I don't see how bashing a success story sire figures into this. Noone was knocking Desert Warrior, and I can't see why he would knock Jump Start.

Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning

I remember having a dream about the BC Juvy the night before Jump Start ran in that race. In my dream he won, but in reality it did not work out for him. He was pushed by D. Wayne and sometimes that backfires. I am thrilled to see him "winning" at stud and I am certainly thrilled to see another son of Slew's best son at stud succeeding.:cool:

Originally Posted by oracle80

Anyone who saw this horse's first few races knows that without being pushed into sumbmision, he could have been ANYTHING.
His debut at CD was as fine a debut as you will ever see, and at saratoga in the Special that he won, he banged into the gate real hard coming out and somehow got up anyway.
Of all the horses D Wayne pushed into the ground, I bet if you asked him if he could have one "do over", who would it be, he'd say Jump Start.

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

at least you havent blamed me for mushing him on BC day

Originally Posted by oracle80

Anyone who saw this horse's first few races knows that without being pushed into sumbmision, he could have been ANYTHING.
His debut at CD was as fine a debut as you will ever see, and at saratoga in the Special that he won, he banged into the gate real hard coming out and somehow got up anyway.
Of all the horses D Wayne pushed into the ground, I bet if you asked him if he could have one "do over", who would it be, he'd say Jump Start.