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Dahoss 05-17-2023 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1173282)
Racing should outsource the punishment determination to an entity in Hong Kong.
Even better!

Kitan 05-17-2023 03:36 PM
Over your heads, the both of you. The point is what kind of deterrent is it when (i) all he gets is 10 days for the one time he's caught, and (ii) the horses can still run. It's a slap on the wrist to him and a slap in the face of horseplayers.

moses 05-17-2023 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Kitan (Post 1173285)
Over your heads, the both of you. The point is what kind of deterrent is it when (i) all he gets is 10 days for the one time he's caught, and (ii) the horses can still run. It's a slap on the wrist to him and a slap in the face of horseplayers.
Steve was touching on this early today (I didn’t catch the entire show) but there needs to be a distinction between therapeutic medication overages (TMOs - copyright Steve Byk) and banned substances. If it’s a positive test for a TMO, the penalty should be significantly less than for a banned substance.

freddymo 05-17-2023 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by moses (Post 1173286)
Steve was touching on this early today (I didn’t catch the entire show) but there needs to be a distinction between therapeutic medication overages (TMOs - copyright Steve Byk) and banned substances. If it’s a positive test for a TMO, the penalty should be significantly less than for a banned substance.
I listened to the segment, and the Gal(Lisa?) is trying to do her best. The reality is save the public being made aware of things quickly, which is a good thing; the ticky-tac therapeutic overages are still going to be subject to due process, which is a good thing, and that due process takes time, and HISA nor anyone else can fix that. It will be a win if HISA is funded well and can deter the juicers. The other stuff isn't changing in any significant way IMO

Dahoss 05-17-2023 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Kitan (Post 1173285)
Over your heads, the both of you. The point is what kind of deterrent is it when (i) all he gets is 10 days for the one time he's caught, and (ii) the horses can still run. It's a slap on the wrist to him and a slap in the face of horseplayers.
I’ll ask again and maybe you can step off your soapbox to answer….what kind of punishment do you feel is fair for a small overage of bute?

freddymo 05-17-2023 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Kitan (Post 1173285)
Over your heads, the both of you. The point is what kind of deterrent is it when (i) all he gets is 10 days for the one time he's caught, and (ii) the horses can still run. It's a slap on the wrist to him and a slap in the face of horseplayers.
Picogate? Have a heart...This **** is so stupid. TAP doesn't even use this stuff? Was it detected in the horse's blood twice? Yes! how did a minuscule amount find its way into the horse? Who knows? What do you want to do? Fine the guy 250k for what he doesn't even administer the stuff. Do you want to ban all therapeutic drugs? How the heck will the horses heal? Do you want them in pain after they twitch an ankle or get kicked in a race, or have a quarter crack? They get hurt like all athletes. Do you think Spieth didn't get a shot of cortisone or some other antiinflammatory med?

Kitan 05-18-2023 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 1173294)
I’ll ask again and maybe you can step off your soapbox to answer….what kind of punishment do you feel is fair for a small overage of bute?
Considering bute is not allowed in the system in States he runs at (and shouldn't be anywhere) and has been shown to increase the risk of race-related injuries and fatalities, I would say you're right and we should just look the other way :rolleyes:

Dahoss 05-18-2023 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Kitan (Post 1173300)
Considering bute is not allowed in the system in States he runs at (and shouldn't be anywhere) and has been shown to increase the risk of race-related injuries and fatalities, I would say you're right and we should just look the other way :rolleyes:
Except I didn’t say that. I’m just asking you what you think is the appropriate punishment for this offense.

You seem to think the 10 days isn’t enough. So for the third time now, what is a fair punishment for a small overage of bute in your opinion?


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