Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I found this post from a little known and totally unheralded handicapper.:cool:
Looks like he was on to something.

http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthr...1399#post61399

Originally Posted by oracle80

Actually I knew it was over turning for home. I could see that Jara had a handful and the biggest tipoff was that he didn't angle even wider on the turn and panic and go full bore. He waited until they were straightened away and when he threw that first cross you could see Invasor just attack.
I was screaming loudly"The paper tiger is DONE!!!!" over and over again before he even actually collared him because there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna go by.
Whats sickening is that anybody is even attempting to make an excuse fro bern. Had he won the race we'd have to listen to how he was the greatest horse ever, blah blah blah just like we just did for 3 months. Yet Invasor wins 4 grade ones in 4 US starts at 4 different racetracks, including a BC where he was forced to miss his last and very important prep and he still crushed them. Where is the love for this horse and the fine job that Kiarin Mclaughlin and his staff did? Are you ****ing kidding me? I mean, everyone gushes over Albertrani all year long, and he gets to get his prep race in unhindered while kiarin has to sit with Invasor(due to the cough:rolleyes: ) and hes gotta train up a horse who hasn't run since the frigging first week of August, and he doesn't get the love? Imagine anyone having the nerve to call me biased when its pretty obvious that you only get love on here if someone knows you personally and thinks you are cool. No unbiased objective guy making an analysis would call what Kiarin and Invasor did anything short of spectacular. Kiarin deserves major props.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I found this post from a little known and totally unheralded handicapper.:cool:
Looks like he was on to something.

http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthr...1399#post61399

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i thought songster was your favorite....lol..he dini didint spit the bit when challenged.....you and your gut check bs is laughable..he made his run to early..and jara made his at the right time..thats it....the fact that he skipped the prep to this made alot of sense..he had a fresh horse..congrats to invasor...but hes not any better than a lenth..at least on this day..sun king who got to invasor late ..where was he..

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I also saw Bluegrass Cat and all the other rats you said would beat Bernardini, and they're no Bernardini.

So let me get this straight, because he lost by A LENGTH to Invasor, he's "nowhere near as good as Invasor"? Hmm..

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

i thought songster was your favorite....lol..he dini didint spit the bit when challenged.....you and your gut check bs is laughable..he made his run to early..and jara made his at the right time..thats it....the fact that he skipped the prep to this made alot of sense..he had a fresh horse..congrats to invasor...but hes not any better than a lenth..at least on this day..sun king who got to invasor late ..where was he..

Originally Posted by oracle80

Lee Harvey Oswald made the beyer figures, lol.
I tried to tell everyone, and posted it one thousand times, but noone gets it or at least very few get it.
Ragozin did a study years ago, found horses ALWAYS ran their lifetime best numbers in "easy wins". The whole fallacy(cough cough Eurobounce, revolution, Betsy, ahem) that a horse who wins with no pressure could go faster is exactly that, a total fallacy. Its a lot harder to run fast when someone gets in your face. And I personally don't think that him not being as good as Invasor is the only issue, he didn't even offer token resistance when eyeballed, he surrendered in a fashion that would make even the French Army proud. I predicted he was a bully who when eyeballed would fold all year long, and I posted it a thousand times. He got eyeballed, and he didn't even try to fight back.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay, before you talk out of your ass again you might want to make sure that your mouth is on the same page. This is what you typed a few months ago. A little inconsistent? A LOT inconsistent? Your quote in reference to mineshaft:

He beat what was thrown at him. Normally I would challenge who a horse beat, but like bernadini you have to look at how easy teh wins are and the sheet number they ran. The number will tell you that it really wouldnt have mattered who they faced, they woulda won anyway. Its not like Mineshaft was winning races by a head or a neck, see the difference?
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Originally Posted by oracle80

Actually I knew it was over turning for home. I could see that Jara had a handful and the biggest tipoff was that he didn't angle even wider on the turn and panic and go full bore. He waited until they were straightened away and when he threw that first cross you could see Invasor just attack.
I was screaming loudly"The paper tiger is DONE!!!!" over and over again before he even actually collared him because there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna go by.
Whats sickening is that anybody is even attempting to make an excuse fro bern. Had he won the race we'd have to listen to how he was the greatest horse ever, blah blah blah just like we just did for 3 months. Yet Invasor wins 4 grade ones in 4 US starts at 4 different racetracks, including a BC where he was forced to miss his last and very important prep and he still crushed them. Where is the love for this horse and the fine job that Kiarin Mclaughlin and his staff did? Are you ****ing kidding me? I mean, everyone gushes over Albertrani all year long, and he gets to get his prep race in unhindered while kiarin has to sit with Invasor(due to the cough:rolleyes: ) and hes gotta train up a horse who hasn't run since the frigging first week of August, and he doesn't get the love? Imagine anyone having the nerve to call me biased when its pretty obvious that you only get love on here if someone knows you personally and thinks you are cool. No unbiased objective guy making an analysis would call what Kiarin and Invasor did anything short of spectacular. Kiarin deserves major props.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i can't believe that the horse was set at even money, and i can't believe anyone would single him. and i really, really, can't believe that anyone really feels bernardini didn't run his race. he did. but it was against seasoned veterans, some of the best in the world.
and i really expected a response when invasor came up on him. i wanted to see a fight to the wire. didn't happen.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Actually I knew it was over turning for home. I could see that Jara had a handful and the biggest tipoff was that he didn't angle even wider on the turn and panic and go full bore. He waited until they were straightened away and when he threw that first cross you could see Invasor just attack.
I was screaming loudly"The paper tiger is DONE!!!!" over and over again before he even actually collared him because there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna go by.
Whats sickening is that anybody is even attempting to make an excuse fro bern. Had he won the race we'd have to listen to how he was the greatest horse ever, blah blah blah just like we just did for 3 months. Yet Invasor wins 4 grade ones in 4 US starts at 4 different racetracks, including a BC where he was forced to miss his last and very important prep and he still crushed them. Where is the love for this horse and the fine job that Kiarin Mclaughlin and his staff did? Are you ****ing kidding me? I mean, everyone gushes over Albertrani all year long, and he gets to get his prep race in unhindered while kiarin has to sit with Invasor(due to the cough:rolleyes: ) and hes gotta train up a horse who hasn't run since the frigging first week of August, and he doesn't get the love? Imagine anyone having the nerve to call me biased when its pretty obvious that you only get love on here if someone knows you personally and thinks you are cool. No unbiased objective guy making an analysis would call what Kiarin and Invasor did anything short of spectacular. Kiarin deserves major props.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Sun King has gotten closer to Invasor than Berni ever will!

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Pick a side, buddy. Either Bernardini was an overrated piece of **** or he was awesome for running second to a monster like Invasor. You don't get to denigrate Bernardini until the cows come home, then talk up Invasor. It doesn't work like that.

If Jara had so much horse, how is it that a lack of heart was what did in Bernardini? Which ****ing one is it? Either Invasor was tons the best and Bernardini ran huge as well or they both are slow!

And yeah, unbiased is definitely a word I would use to describe you. The guy who has never seen Pletcher or Dutrow or anybody he thinks he knows make a bad move ever. The guy who's done everything but sneak into Bernardini's barn and poison him at night. You're unbiased. You've been sucking Dutrow off for years and recently started on the Pletcher bandwagon because you "know" them, but now, no one else is allowed to do the same after they get to know Albertrani. You're a total hypocrite.

Aren't you the man, too, for shouting "The paper tiger is done!" I'm sure you were the toast of the town and looked just as cool and sane as you always do when watching a race..



Ah yes, another postrace genius. I'm sure if the horse had won by 10, you'd still be criticizing anyone who bet him at even money or singled him.

All of this lack of heart stuff is absolute nonsense. If it hadn't been Bernardini on the rail, but Lava Man or one of the other Derby Trail heroes, you'd all be singing the same tune, right? That he folded? Of course you would.

Originally Posted by oracle80

OHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That one made me spill my drink just now Jim!!!
DING DING DING DING!!!! Rack Him!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Pick a side, buddy. Either Bernardini was an overrated piece of **** or he was awesome for running second to a monster like Invasor. You don't get to denigrate Bernardini until the cows come home, then talk up Invasor. It doesn't work like that.

If Jara had so much horse, how is it that a lack of heart was what did in Bernardini? Which ****ing one is it? Either Invasor was tons the best and Bernardini ran huge as well or they both are slow!

And yeah, unbiased is definitely a word I would use to describe you. The guy who has never seen Pletcher or Dutrow or anybody he thinks he knows make a bad move ever. The guy who's done everything but sneak into Bernardini's barn and poison him at night. You're unbiased. You've been sucking Dutrow off for years and recently started on the Pletcher bandwagon because you "know" them, but now, no one else is allowed to do the same after they get to know Albertrani. You're a total hypocrite.

Aren't you the man, too, for shouting "The paper tiger is done!" I'm sure you were the toast of the town and looked just as cool and sane as you always do when watching a race..



Ah yes, another postrace genius. I'm sure if the horse had won by 10, you'd still be criticizing anyone who bet him at even money or singled him.

All of this lack of heart stuff is absolute nonsense. If it hadn't been Bernardini on the rail, but Lava Man or one of the other Derby Trail heroes, you'd all be singing the same tune, right? That he folded? Of course you would.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Yeah that was pretty funny right there.