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SniperSB23 11-05-2006 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by repent
when you have the best horse in the race and get beat while running below his normal effort,
then yeah,
you probably got out trained.
everyone gets held accountable to their results.


Repent

Bernardini wasn't the best horse in the race.

eurobounce 11-05-2006 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by repent
when you have the best horse in the race and get beat while running below his normal effort,
then yeah,
you probably got out trained.
everyone gets held accountable to their results.


Repent

Who said he was the best horse in the race? Apparently Invasor was the best horse in the race. If Dini was the best horse in the race then why even run the race!!!!! Again, he came in 2nd so how didnt he run his race. What happened to make you think he didnt run his race?

1st_Saturday_in_May 11-05-2006 10:30 PM

Oracle hasnt liked Albertrani since Songster screwed him over at the Spa when Court Folly won

eurobounce 11-05-2006 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by repent
are you ppl seriously this freaking stupid?

I did not type that.
what the f*ck are you reading?


Repent

Apparently you are the one that is stupid. If three people are reading and thinking the same then obviously you didnt choose your words carefully. Maybe you are pulling a John Kerry.

repent 11-05-2006 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Well, you wrote "anyone who thinks Albertrani did not get out trained needs to have their head examined." Don't think I'm really reading into anything. So if Albertrani did get out trained, as YOU and Oracle say, what did Albertrani do wrong, in your opinion? And I will ask you this, was McLaughlin out trained by Doug O'Neill, because Henny Hughes was awful on Saturday. I just think Invasor was better. That's it. And Tom Albertrani is a class guy.


what did Albertraini do wrong?
his horse ran well below his previous efforts in the most important race of the year.
what were the reasons?
I dont know and I dont care.
but he is accountable, just as he was when Bern dominated at Saratoga and at Pimlico.
its his JOB to have the horse ready to run at his best.
everyone has bad days at their job, and Sat was his.


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repent 11-05-2006 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eurobounce
Apparently you are the one that is stupid. If three people are reading and thinking the same then obviously you didnt choose your words carefully. Maybe you are pulling a John Kerry.

no,
its 2 ppl.
you and DaHoss .

I typed what i typed.
you want to read more into it, then go ahead.
but you are incorrect.


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eurobounce 11-05-2006 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by repent
what did Albertraini do wrong?
his horse ran well below his previous efforts in the most important race of the year.
what were the reasons?
I dont know and I dont care.
but he is accountable, just as he was when Bern dominated at Saratoga and at Pimlico.
its his JOB to have the horse ready to run at his best.
everyone has bad days at their job, and Sat was his.


Repent

Again, how did he run below his previous efforts? What makes you think that? Is it because he came in 2nd??? Maybe Invasor ran above his head yesterday. Who knows---the point in this is that a trainer cannot get out-trained at this level. They only do what they can only do and the rest is up to the horse.

eurobounce 11-05-2006 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by repent
no,
its 2 ppl.
you and DaHoss .

I typed what i typed.
you want to read more into it, then go ahead.
but you are incorrect.


Repent

Sniper chimed in so I counted him/her as well.

repent 11-05-2006 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Bernardini wasn't the best horse in the race.

yeah,
you are right.
Perfect Drift was.

whatever man.
maybe I should have typed that he had the best horse GOING INTO the race.
that would have been more accurate, but not changed the general point.


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repent 11-05-2006 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eurobounce
Sniper chimed in so I counted him/her as well.

on a different subject entirely though.

he is debating the merits of the horses, not trainers.


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repent 11-05-2006 10:39 PM

you guys are freaking great.

in your world,
the horses just go out and run and whatever happens happens.
nobody is ever held accountable.

thats great.
would be great owners to train for I guess.



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eurobounce 11-05-2006 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by repent
on a different subject entirely though.

he is debating the merits of the horses, not trainers.


Repent

That is fine. But based on merits how was Dini better than Invasor? I think this is opinoned based. But a horse with 8 wins and already crowned a champion, a year older and a 3 time Grade I winner is typically the better animal in a race.

eurobounce 11-05-2006 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by repent
you guys are freaking great.

in your world,
the horses just go out and run and whatever happens happens.
nobody is ever held accountable.

thats great.
would be great owners to train for I guess.



Repent

The horse came in 2nd to Invasor. What else could Abertrani have done? Please enlighten us....what could have Albertrani have done to reverse the order of finish?

repent 11-05-2006 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eurobounce
That is fine. But based on merits how was Dini better than Invasor? I think this is opinoned based. But a horse with 8 wins and already crowned a champion, a year older and a 3 time Grade I winner is typically the better animal in a race.


of course its an opinion.
thats largely what this entire forum is about.

if we all just copied and pasted events known to be fact it would be incredibely boring.


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SniperSB23 11-05-2006 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by repent
yeah,
you are right.
Perfect Drift was.

whatever man.
maybe I should have typed that he had the best horse GOING INTO the race.
that would have been more accurate, but not changed the general point.


Repent

He wasn't that either. Invasor had been running against tougher competiton and beating it on the same tracks at the same distance as Bernardini and was running faster times. Everyone thought "but Bernardini could have gone so much faster if he wasn't under a hand ride". Well guess what, we saw what happened when Bernardini had to be ridden hard and it was no better than he ran his other races. Considering his Beyer in the race and a bit of a tougher trip than in his other walks in the park the horse totally ran to the level he has been running all year. Invasor had been slighted all year and elevated his game when he needed to. And he beat Bernardini while going wider and carrying four extra pounds.

ArlJim78 11-05-2006 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by repent
what did Albertraini do wrong?
his horse ran well below his previous efforts in the most important race of the year.
what were the reasons?
I dont know and I dont care.
but he is accountable, just as he was when Bern dominated at Saratoga and at Pimlico.
its his JOB to have the horse ready to run at his best.
everyone has bad days at their job, and Sat was his.


Repent

Bernardini most certainly did not run well below his previous efforts.
He destroyed a collection of the worlds best dirt horses save for one who only beat him by a length.
Invasor did not run any better than he normally does.
Invasor is as good or better than Bernardini,
The loss was just a loss and not a sign of a poor training job by TA.

repent 11-05-2006 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eurobounce
The horse came in 2nd to Invasor. What else could Abertrani have done? Please enlighten us....what could have Albertrani have done to reverse the order of finish?


have his horse ready to run the best race of his life.
thats what he could have done.
maybe he did that and the horse just did not fire.
but the point remains that McLaughlin had his horse ready to run his best race of the year on the biggest day of the year.

ppl are held accountable to their results.


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