Didnt really matter, he would have beat this field in any such pace scenario over any track bias. A horse came to him on the far turn and he swatted him away like a mosquito. Hes a very special horse in this day in age of the sport, where hardly any top quality horse runs on both turf & dirt, and hangs around to his age.

That's awful slow for a 1/4 (pedestrian). My grandma does that.;)

So did the mighty Pommes Frittes yesterday at Belmont, opened up a huge lead only going 1 mile, running pedestrian fractions, and still couldnt hang on.

If he's such a slow horse then I think you and your friends should send grandma out west to take home the grade 1 cash. The rest of the nation is not coming out west for a number of excuses, and ploy track won't change it.

Anyone talk about the call in the stretch for Lava Man?

They were laughing hysterically in the Club House at Ellis. It was great!

Tim Please ok? You are gonna compare fractions set on a deep yielding course to fractions set on the rock hard turf course out there? Lava CRAWLED the pace CRAWLED!!! Today in the 5th race at Hollywood, a non winners of 2 allowance race, they ran a mile much quicker than lava's split for the same distance. Todays was 22 and change, 45 and change, 1 09 and change, 1 21 and change and 1 33 and change for a mile.
You cant just watch one race at a track without knowing how fast a course or track has been playing and accurately compare it with a soft deep course across the country. Lava race was nice yeah, but he sure didnt meet much, and you must be crazy to actually call him the best older horse. See the thing is I seem to remember that horse coming east last year to th eJCGC and dead heating with the ambulance. He beat horses of a much lesser qulaity yesterday. I suppose on the weeds out there hes the best.
But tell him to give EC, RG, GS, and cacique a ring if he wants to meet the best.
I absolutely love that horse though, too bad so many of these California wonder horses lose the wings they seem to have once they step on a plane and head east. WOnder why, hmmmmmm???

yeah, I know, what great horses huh? Did you know that NONE Of the heralded Cali 3 year olds even hit he board this year in the TC? LOL!!
Oh and balance sure set the world on fire when she shipped east, hmmm.
Care to enlighten me which Socals have made an impact this year on teh national scene? Cause quite frankly, other than Bordanaro and LITF, both sprinters, I cant think of any.

Get glasses. The man quotes 45 something for the quarter. Now I know he made a mistake (or at least i think so) but most quarters are run in the 20's.

Oracle is right.He beat little in the Whittingham; and his trip out here to "real horsie country" didn't change my mind.

By the way, I may be dense, but what is "ploy track"?

And which east coast horses have made an impact out west this year?

FFF,

Orca is the internet's worst typist.. "Poly Track" is the reference...

It helps to be dyslexic when reading Orca's posts.. That way many of the garbled letters appear where they should actually be... ;)

The locals are telling Vic to just call the race and drop the color.

Got glasses,but at my AARP age I don't spend alot of time proof reading the text. You don't know it , but Oracle does, Lava Man is the money machine that the east coast stables don't want to meet on his home tracks.

Jockey Club was a funny race. FLower Alley got thumped and came back with a nice little race in the BC Classic, Bishop court Hill ran last and came back to be a grade 1 winner this year. Heck even the Sun King has run great twice since. So what the heck does it matter how Lava Man ran in the Jockey Club, a race where only 1 horse did any running? Grade 1 winner on dirt & turf, how many other horses can you say that about?

While I agree the field in yesterday's Manhattan towered over the race where Lava Man won, there were still 2 grade 1 winners in there that the Laza Man beat... Kings Drama and Sweet Return. Heck, Kings Drama won a big race here at Saratoga last summer so to most that would make him a super horse.

LOL!! I'm a two fingered typist whose brain works a lot quicker than his fingers. I can assure you that I can spell and use proper grammar quite nicely. Its just that on a horse racing internet message board, I really don't care. Sorry about the "ploy Track".

Tim thats really a stretch. I agree, a grade one winner is always a grade one winner, But it would be like beating Funny Cide now and saying you beat a grade one winner. CURRENT form is really the only way to judge the type of competition that a horse beats. Sweet return, Tim, Please. The poor horse is just in awful shape and not even a shadow of his former self. Kings drama isn't exactly sharp as a knife either.
Lava man is a neat horse, a horse who runs on both surfaces and runs fast and displays great heart. But hes gotta win a race outside of Cali for me to even consider him in the upper echelon in either division.

Nothing to be sorry about.....you didn't write it.:p

His next race is most likely the Hollywood Gold Cup.

Pacific Classic isn't until August.

I thought he looked fantastic. He's such a beauty. And I was impressed that when King's Drama challenged, he just dug in and kept going.

He really did show some heart, in addition to his beauty. I bet $2.00 on him to win and got back $3.80. The $1.80 in winnings paid for my pretzel on the way out of the track.

It was a great day for me.:)