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knickslions2 09-02-2017 05:52 PM

Gun runner is a monster!

RHT2004 09-02-2017 06:09 PM

Gun Runner has gotten very good.
Arrogate >GR

LITF 09-02-2017 06:25 PM

I think I shall retire from playing the turf races on the NYRA circuit...

10 pnt move up 09-02-2017 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LITF (Post 1099076)
I think I shall retire from playing the turf races on the NYRA circuit...

yea, the riding there makes it impossible to handicap in my opinion.

I am hitting at 35% on dirt, 6% on turf this meet.

c ya..need more dirt races and they have few there.

taxicab 09-02-2017 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1099069)
Gun runner is a monster!

Man,he sure is good right about now.
Classic chalk.......I think.

taxicab 09-02-2017 09:59 PM

That's a quad for Voodoo Song this meet,starting with a claimer........finishing it off with a Grade 3.
Outstanding. :tro:

Dunbar 09-03-2017 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1098901)
Rabbit not allowed entry to Woodward:

http://www.drf.com/news/paoluccis-ra...oodward-stakes

What do you guys think? I can see both sides.

It seems to me this merited more discussion. Can anyone remember something similar happening before? That is, has a clear rabbit ever been refused entry?

I can see both sides, too, but I'm wary of situations where the power to act is completely discretionary.

LITF 09-03-2017 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1099078)
yea, the riding there makes it impossible to handicap in my opinion.

I am hitting at 35% on dirt, 6% on turf this meet.

c ya..need more dirt races and they have few there.

I had an okay little Pick 4 going singled to War Flag, using her because I expected her to be on or near the early lead. Well, I missed the start of the race and when I turned it on I couldn't believe to see her last. Figure damn she missed the break. But the chart makes no mention of that. So I guess they took her back to last on an opening half on 51...:zz: Oh well, guess that's a handicapping blunder on my part.

FWIW, thought she was best in the race. Coming from that far back into those fractions when the 1,2,4 place finishers all were close up hroughiut.

10 pnt move up 09-03-2017 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by LITF (Post 1099115)
I had an okay little Pick 4 going singled to War Flag, using her because I expected her to be on or near the early lead. Well, I missed the start of the race and when I turned it on I couldn't believe to see her last. Figure damn she missed the break. But the chart makes no mention of that. So I guess they took her back to last on an opening half on 51...:zz: Oh well, guess that's a handicapping blunder on my part.

FWIW, thought she was best in the race. Coming from that far back into those fractions when the 1,2,4 place finishers all were close up hroughiut.

I get ya, Bricks and Mortar was forced into a close up stalker who had to make a turn move and still finished great all because the way those races are being run on maybe the most biased turf course I have ever seen, anywhere. Its been inside speed the 2 weeks that would make keeneland envious.

10 pnt move up 09-03-2017 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunbar (Post 1099111)
It seems to me this merited more discussion. Can anyone remember something similar happening before? That is, has a clear rabbit ever been refused entry?

I can see both sides, too, but I'm wary of situations where the power to act is completely discretionary.

pretty lengthy discussions in a few other places...it doesnt seem right if the stewards are going to let some people run rabbits and some others not....if that was maybe a more established, and less outspoken name owner, that the horse would have been allowed to enter.

it certainly would not have changed anything.

freddymo 09-03-2017 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1099119)
pretty lengthy discussions in a few other places...it doesnt seem right if the stewards are going to let some people run rabbits and some others not....if that was maybe a more established, and less outspoken name owner, that the horse would have been allowed to enter.

it certainly would not have changed anything.

Yeah I wonder if Juddemonte would have been denied. I tend to think not but NYRA has set a precedent now and they should be held to this standard in future. Beyer was on with Andy and was none to happy with the decision. I give if credit for saying the right thing

Kitan 09-03-2017 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 1099131)
Yeah I wonder if Juddemonte would have been denied. I tend to think not but NYRA has set a precedent now and they should be held to this standard in future. Beyer was on with Andy and was none to happy with the decision. I give if credit for saying the right thing

I think the issue is that they wanted to use an 8000 claimer who hadn't run past 5.5f in his last 10 starts as the rabbit. Why not use the same rabbit as last time?

10 pnt move up 09-03-2017 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitan (Post 1099135)
I think the issue is that they wanted to use an 8000 claimer who hadn't run past 5.5f in his last 10 starts as the rabbit. Why not use the same rabbit as last time?

the last one was not fast enough to do his job.

I think using one that looks like it even has less chance to win makes more sense.

I have no idea why they could not have been coupled and allowed to run like we have done for the last 150 years.

10 pnt move up 09-03-2017 08:29 PM

Been waiting all meet to bet Givemeaminit back..only thing that makes it tough is most of these have ridden gold rails to wins so I dont actually have a feel for how good anyone is, but I know this horse ran a great mdn and at 8/1 really figures here.

Alabama Stakes 09-03-2017 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1099185)
Been waiting all meet to bet Givemeaminit back..only thing that makes it tough is most of these have ridden gold rails to wins so I dont actually have a feel for how good anyone is, but I know this horse ran a great mdn and at 8/1 really figures here.

The hoss who bombed him is in there. He lugged in about 7 paths because there was room to do so, but if there were other hosses there the jock would have been steadying and holding on for dear life. Doubt he gets that clear run here.
I think the Mcpeek guy comin it of that game win going 7/8 is gonna drown that field. With any luck Serling won't pick either if our guys and we'll at least have a fighting chance.

Kitan 09-06-2017 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1099136)
the last one was not fast enough to do his job.

I think using one that looks like it even has less chance to win makes more sense.

I have no idea why they could not have been coupled and allowed to run like we have done for the last 150 years.

Look at the horses that are used as rabbits overseas (e.g. Coolmore, Godolphin, etc.). They are normally half-decent horses, not sprinters plucked from the bottom class.


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