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10 pnt move up 07-23-2017 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1095751)
Elate will be tough today.
funny

I was a bit against the big fundamental in this spot but with the track he is going to be pretty tough.

RHT2004 07-23-2017 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1095757)
funny

I was a bit against the big fundamental in this spot but with the track he is going to be pretty tough.
I think he jogs. Serling hates him. I think hes improving every race

10 pnt move up 07-23-2017 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1095758)
I think he jogs. Serling hates him. I think hes improving every race
rode the bias and still lost, definitely not a good effort.

RHT2004 07-23-2017 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1095763)
rode the bias and still lost, definitely not a good effort.
Def.

10 pnt move up 07-23-2017 03:49 PM
Nice to see a horse rally wide. Track may be more on the fairer side, why makes the 2 in the 4ths effort even more impressive.

RHT2004 07-23-2017 05:13 PM
Elate 4min from a career top. Excited.

cakes44 07-23-2017 05:22 PM
What a weird-ass race.

10 pnt move up 07-23-2017 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1095798)
Elate 4min from a career top. Excited.
She topped, tripped out, and still lost

today was her day.

RHT2004 07-23-2017 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1095805)
She topped, tripped out, and still lost

today was her day.
I think she proved she belongs and will relish the Alabama distance. To each his own though.

10 pnt move up 07-23-2017 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 1095321)
That's how you beat a blinkers-less Abel Tasman maybe.

Regardless, Elate does not have that sort of speed. In fact, she herself was run off her feet in a minor stakes at Tampa by Tapa Tapa Tapa.

I'm not convinced Abel Tasman was without some sort of "hidden" excuse in the Santa Anita Oaks. There was a barn switch and an equipment change afterwards. If she had a race or two under her belt prior to the Santa Ysabel, it would not be far-fetched to say she would have run down Unique Bella. She zeroed in on her at the 1/8 pole but ran like a classic short horse the rest of the way.

The SA Oaks doesn't fit with her other races.
as usual you were right, Abel Tasman is just a tricky horse...she can move whenever she wants.

That was interesting ride for sure, seemed like he wanted to make sure he was near the lead but to move like that in th middle, and still hold on is usually the sign of a pretty dang good horses.

Salty had a huge trip, but think she is the lesser talented between these two.

cakes44 07-23-2017 05:32 PM
Mike Smith did everything in his power to get Elate a Grade 1, but it still wasn't enough.

RHT2004 07-23-2017 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1095813)
Mike Smith did everything in his power to get Elate a Grade 1, but it still wasn't enough.
That's what you take away from that? Good luck moving forward bud.

10 pnt move up 07-23-2017 05:37 PM
Abel Tasman is a very tricky horse to ride...she is so big and Mike has said that when she gets going she is rolling

that being said the 2 ran a tremendous race.

cakes44 07-23-2017 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1095815)
That's what you take away from that? Good luck moving forward bud.
That middle-move was completely unnecessary and should have lost him the race.

10 pnt move up 07-23-2017 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1095819)
That middle-move was completely unnecessary and should have lost him the race.
going to be an interesting alabama with unchained melody

despite the trip for the 7 I am just wondering if she doesnt fit a bit better around 7f to a 1mile.

RHT2004 07-23-2017 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1095832)
going to be an interesting alabama with unchained melody

despite the trip for the 7 I am just wondering if she doesnt fit a bit better around 7f to a 1mile.
Shes a trap IMO.

RHT2004 07-23-2017 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1095819)
That middle-move was completely unnecessary and should have lost him the race.
Thats fair. But i think Elate improved today. Taking a non biased view who should love the 10f of the Alabama? Feels like Elate to me.

ateamstupid 07-23-2017 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1095819)
That middle-move was completely unnecessary and should have lost him the race.
It's amazing that a horse racing observer could look at that ride and criticize it. Absolutely amazing.

cakes44 07-23-2017 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RHT2004 (Post 1095837)
Thats fair. But i think Elate improved today. Taking a non biased view who should love the 10f of the Alabama? Feels like Elate to me.
No doubt Elate improved. She ran big.

10 pnt move up 07-23-2017 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cakes44 (Post 1095842)
No doubt Elate improved. She ran big.
I guess, I feel like she had the dream trip while the 2 and 7 did not. If she is like 3/1 the Alabama could be a big underlay.

Wonder if Baffert thinks about skipping the Alabama...running in it actually only hurts the horses chances at winning the division. Right now she has a 1/16 of a pole lead.


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