Considering the pace, yes. 3rd place horse ran very well.

Thanks. Great minds.....

What was it Dennis farina said in midnight run ?

SHe had every chance and had nothing.....

Lol you guys make my head spin. I respect your opinion Andy but Songbird controlled race and got beat by nose in bob. She was second best. Forever unbridled wasn't catching either horse.

Funny he says it and you respect it, I say it more shots.

I thought the track start to look really lose, I thought the dirt mile was slow, then the filly race was slow for those quality of horses.

I will see what Craig comes up with but that was what I thought watching through the day.

Why do the replays show the one win the bob.?

well you did call me a goon. I'm tired and grumpy. Been stuck in airports all day and lost the late pick 4 to a shitty 35-1 horse. That was a great race and songbird deserves some credit. No way forever unbridled was better. We don't get many great races like that. On that note I'm out. Good luck tomorrow

And the logic would be ?

You have been a goon. But it's cool. Good luck tomorrow.

I think I've explained it.

Probably she was third best today after carving out that uncontested pace. However, if you line that octet up next Saturday I'll take Songbird over Forever Unbridled. And I bet Forever Unbridled today. Thought the top quartet all ran great (would've loved to see Stellar Wind not miss the break). Songbird just got beat by a hall of fame bound horse and by the slimmest of margins. She fought down to the wire which was what people wanted to see. Can't wait to see her next year.

Hard to think of a better start to the weekend.

I don't agree. She was able to set a VERY moderate pace, partly with the help of her owner's usual trainer's horse riding shotgun, and further keeping Beholder out. Given the dynamics, Forever Unbridled probably ran a better race. It may be close....but it's close at worst:-)

The problem with a lot of Songbird's fans ( and I am not saying this is you ) is that they had completely unrealistic expectations going in. If you bet her at even money, you made a horrendous bet, as even under perfect circumstances ( slow pace, Stellar Wind not showing up, and Beholder getting pushed wide ) she lost. Sure it was close. Sure she ran well. No sane person criticized Songbird going in, they simply said she was a bad bet at a short price. Isn't that exactly what proved the case?

Regardless, it was a thrilling race. Hopefully everyone enjoyed it. I sure as hell did. Maybe some of us even learned something from it. What could be better than all that?

It will be interesting to see if Songbird can make the same jump from 3 to 4 as she did from 2 to 3, and like Beholder, IMO did between 3 and 4. She might be ok then.

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If honesty is to rule, it wasn't simply saying she was a bad bet at a short price. That would be a rational way of thinking that probably shouldn't be argued against. But the ridicule was towards anyone daring to believe she was good enough. We were told that she didn't have a race as fast as theirs. That it was ridiculous to believe she could do better if asked to. That she was lengths slower. The fact is that if she had lost by 10 and wasn't a factor, we would have heard it from them. But with her acquitting herself the way she did, you're seeing a bunch of hurt feelings and reluctant praise and revisionist accounts of what people said before.

Blind Luck and Havre de Grace in the 2011 Delaware Handicap came to mind.

Because no one dared go with her, just as I suspected.
The problem with all the Songbird detractors is that they apparently don't study pace, where she had a huge advantage. What was Smith supposed to do when clear by 2-3 lengths down the backside? Push the button?
The pace was slow because she made all the pace and no one wanted anything to do with her up there.

So Larry Jones sent Chatterbox in there just to "ride shotgun" and make things tougher for Beholder? Is that what you're REALLY suggesting Andy?
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