Derby Trail Forums
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

Derby Trail Forums (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/index.php)
-   The Paddock (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   Chrome! (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60804)

NTamm1215 08-23-2016 07:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1074624)
As I said, there are no facts to back my feelings so I won't even try. I wouldn't use the fact that she has only faced her own sex or hasn't run outside of restricted races as the argument against her. Sometimes, the toughest competition comes from your own group. Easy Goer was destroying older horses but couldn't handle Sunday Silence. Before her last couple, many felt that Beholder was the best in the country so beating her might have been a tougher challenge than beating the boys.

Again, I'm conceding that I probably am overrating Songbird because her sorry competition has made her look better than she is and if my life depended on it, I'd take Chrome over her. But I just have a feeling that we are seeing a truly special horse and the best is yet to come from her and she's gonna surprise some people.
I think she's going to surprise people too. With how poorly she stacks up to horses outside of her age group.

Pants II 08-23-2016 08:29 AM
I hope they don't run Chrome in Dubai next year. Rather see him stateside racing.

I'm not going to knock Songbird's potential but at this point it's going to take a very significant improvement for her to give Chrome any trouble.

OldDog 08-23-2016 09:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 1074637)
I hope they don't run Chrome in Dubai next year. Rather see him stateside racing.
Do you think they run him at all next year?

pweizer 08-23-2016 10:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1074644)
Do you think they run him at all next year?
Why wouldn't they? He will never command big dollars in the breeding shed and could earn ten million or more in a brief campaign.

Paul

Pants II 08-23-2016 10:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDog (Post 1074644)
Do you think they run him at all next year?

Yes. I think they run him until he decides he doesn't want to compete.

Taylor Made would be silly to put him in the shed as his mere presence on the race course helps promote their business on a multitude of levels.

King Glorious 08-23-2016 01:23 PM
There is that $12 million race in Florida.

freddymo 08-23-2016 01:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pweizer (Post 1074647)
Why wouldn't they? He will never command big dollars in the breeding shed and could earn ten million or more in a brief campaign.

Paul
I think he could stand for 20- 25k for the first 3 years with 100+ good mares. The biggest issue races his thru DWC17 is he will miss the 17 season. I would IF he stays as good because the pots for Peg and DWC are huge windfalls. But what do I know

Pants II 08-23-2016 02:20 PM
If Chrome wins...

Awesome Again
Classic
The Pegasus Cup

then that is roughly $12,000,000 in purse and bonus earnings.

Perry Martin is sitting in the catbird's seat. He's smart enough to know extending the racing career of a proven champion will only add to the value of the horse at stud. And being honest about it he knows that the odds of the horse being successful in the barn are miniscule at best.

You're talking maybe 15-20 million in the barn...if they're lucky.

Chrome stays healthy in training you're looking at that $12 million within 6 months and who knows how much afterwards.

Truly a once in a generation type horse. Thank the gods he has shoddy breeding.

Alabama Stakes 08-23-2016 08:25 PM
Art Sherman
 
The man has done an outstanding job with the big hoss. He stopped and gave him time when he needed it. Has kept him sound and racing for a good long time He has a healthy and happy hoss, and managed to get that nitwit away from him . Just a tremendous job all around.

GenuineRisk 08-25-2016 11:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1074654)
There is that $12 million race in Florida.
They've already bought their share in it, so yeah, I think that's the plan.

King Glorious 08-27-2016 09:46 PM
Huge run from Arrogate today. Would have taken a lot to beat him but after watching two of the classic winners run up the track, I can't believe that you guys really don't think Songbird could even hang with the ones that going into today were supposed to be the top of the division.

Indian Charlie 08-27-2016 09:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 1075260)
Huge run from Arrogate today. Would have taken a lot to beat him but after watching two of the classic winners run up the track, I can't believe that you guys really don't think Songbird could even hang with the ones that going into today were supposed to be the top of the division.
You changed your tune now to say that Songbird is just the best 3yo? Not the best horse?

ateamstupid 08-27-2016 10:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 1075261)
You changed your tune now to say that Songbird is just the best 3yo? Not the best horse?
He's not even saying the best 3YO. He's saying the best of "who was supposed to be at the top going into today." Because suggesting that Songbird would've been within a city block of Arrogate is too delusional even for KG.

King Glorious 08-28-2016 01:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 1075261)
You changed your tune now to say that Songbird is just the best 3yo? Not the best horse?
No. I still think she is the best horse. But I also conceded that there isn't evidence on my side to support me. This performance by Arrogate was spectacular and it would have taken an even more incredible performance to beat him, the kind that we have rarely seen over the past 30 years. Does that make Arrogate the best 3yo ever? I'm not ready to proclaim that so I'll say that one race doesn't automatically make him the best of this year either. My only point was that minus him, she rates well with everyone else that was in that race yesterday so I don't think it was outlandish to suggest that she could.

King Glorious 08-28-2016 01:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 1075262)
He's not even saying the best 3YO. He's saying the best of "who was supposed to be at the top going into today." Because suggesting that Songbird would've been within a city block of Arrogate is too delusional even for KG.
She would have been nowhere close to him. My question for you would be.......who would have been? Don't limit it to just horses from this year.

Indian Charlie 08-28-2016 01:46 PM
King Glorious, are you a politician?


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:15 PM.
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.