First of all, my friend, I never said I was betting Spun Sugar, and had you carefully read what I wrote you would have seen that I was suggesting that when Spun Sugar loses it won't be Luzzi's fault.

I also never said that Luzzi is a GREAT rider, though I happen to think he rides just fine, and if he had the mounts that John Velasquez has his win totally would be at most negigibly less.

The real point of my post is that people who waste time overly worrying about who is riding a horse are also losing bettors at the racetrack. Of that I have no doubt.

That was the best horse he's ever ridden.

I agree with you 100% on your main point, Blackthroat, and that is people waste entirely too much time and $ based on jocks. However, like Oracle said, I have no problem throwing out a horse because of certain jock on him. Luzzi can win races on TAP's horses who are by far the best in the race, but the guy is speed crazy IMHO, and will cost a very good horse, Spun Sugar, any chance at winning the Distaff, just because of his style of riding.

That completely flies in the face of his terrific, and winning, ride aboard her in the Go for Wand.

dont forget all the rides Big Money Bailey were in where I proclaimed he would save the day. Pat Day not so much

Only Bailey and Stevens gave you that feeling the would magically lead any mule to victory

I just watched that Go for Wand race again the other day. I think you and I just see it differently. I see him already getting into her going into the turn. She was just that much better than everyone in the race that day that she was still able to have enough energy to split horses and run by everyone in the stretch. I've been wrong plenty of times before though and I'll be wrong for plenty of $ on Nov. 4th as well.

mike you wouldnt bet a horse first time pval if you felt the horse needed to be hustled from the gate and wasnt in previous races? one of the reasons i loved and bet offlee in the holybull was because the guid was gettin aboard and i felt the horse needed a patient ride in the race, he got just that and popped at a huge price for lands as you know of course. in certain instances its valid in my opinion

And then "the Guid" didn't ride him out for 3rd money in his next start.
I wouldnt bet any horse just because Pval was on it, its the horse that counts most.

O... my big big man... I know deep down inside you're Balletto's second biggest fan!:D

LOL well you and i disagree on a ton mike and always will but i do agree that the horse counts most. youll probaly disagree with me here lol but in my book 85% horse 15%rider

Oracle, no one is saying you bet a horse just because a jockey is on it. However, everyone who knows anything would rather bet a speed horse with PVal on it as opposed to Santos on the same horse.

She hangs like a Christmas tree ornament in December.
She hangs like a convicted man in Texas.
She hangs like a chandelier in a ballroom.
She hangs like Peter North's unit after a threesome.

Peter North I remember him in a Jenna J flick, he like drowned her in his stuff

Peter North... did you know he did gay porn as well? Just an FYI... lol He was idolized by the Sigeps here until they saw it. lol

YUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh man I didn't know he went both ways. Thats just awful.

Yeah, they would talk up Peter North and a girl on the squad here was like "he did a gay porn" and they didnt believe her... so we looked it up. and yessa, he swings both ways! And it wasnt just like he was giving... no sir! he was taking one for the team... :D

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You guys need to stop hi-jacking threads. Oracle should know better to talk about hugeness with a couple of chicks in heat....

Hey, speak for yourself, chickie... LMAO! :D

to balletto and cajun i have a ?

Does size matter?