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somerfrost 10-20-2006 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kgar311
All im saying is that discreet cat has the ability to win races by more than 20 lengths. But I cant see anyone beating this horse. I do believe that Secretaiat did lose some races and not to great horses either. I think one was in the wood.
Yep, Secretariat lost the Wood, running with an abscess in his mouth the size of a half dollar...he lost other races too, what is the point? He was the greatest horse to ever step on a track! We can debate that...some prefer MOW, Ribot, Kincsem (OK, I rank her co-#1 myself) but to compare any young, still unaccomplished horse to Secretariat just isn't fair to that young horse!

avance2000 10-20-2006 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Yep, Secretariat lost the Wood, running with an abscess in his mouth the size of a half dollar...he lost other races too, what is the point? He was the greatest horse to ever step on a track! We can debate that...some prefer MOW, Ribot, Kincsem (OK, I rank her co-#1 myself) but to compare any young, still unaccomplished horse to Secretariat just isn't fair to that young horse!
absolutely correct.

when people make comparisons like that it really makes me mad.....because i like discreet cat....and he is a very good horse. when people get on here and make stupid comparisons it almost makes me root against the horse (which i don't want to do) just because a loss is the only way to shut these people up.

ELA 10-20-2006 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bernardini
Mile or BCC, i think he is overmatched either way.
Overmatched? Interesting. I guess you don't think much of this colt. Just to make this more interesting -- who is he overmatched against in the mile?

Eric

ELA 10-20-2006 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bernardini
true, in dubai though.. things have changed since. If I remember, Invasor was carrying more weight. No doubt, DC is good horse but not in this competition not this year. Godolphin knows it.
Godolphin knows it? Has Godolphin or any of the connections said something to this effect, or are you just drawing that conclusion because they have decided to not race him?

Eric

ELA 10-20-2006 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Here's my take. The BC Mile is one of the most difficult races on BC day to win. Usually a full field, with for the most part the best America has to offer, and a pretty good sampling from Europe. DC has never raced on turf, and while there is no doubt he has been ultra impressive, it would be asking a lot. It's obvious they want no part of the BC with DC, and I'm not sold on him getting 1 1/4. That being said, he'll probably win the Cigar Mile, go to Dubai, win the Dubai World Cup, and retire eventually, after some teases that he'll run here. I highly doubt we ever see him on the turf, because there is no reason to run him on it.
I agree. I will say this however, it would not shock me if this horse has been on the turf. Not that it would mean anything whatsoever of course. I would like to see them stick with the plan, bring him back next year and I very much hope he comes back sound, healthy, etc. If he does we might be in for something very special.

Eric

kentuckyrosesinmay 10-20-2006 09:35 PM
This horse reminds me of being a Ghostzapper type without maybe being able to get a mile and a quarter. I think his best races will be a mile and an eight or less. Totally freaky and fast, but incredibly fragile. I think this horse is EXTREMELY talented. I don't have see him face more accomplished horses to know how good he is. I know this isn't much of an argument because of the circumstances in Dubai with Invasor, but he did beat him quite easily.

Pedigree Ann 10-21-2006 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay
Totally freaky and fast, but incredibly fragile. .
And when he goes to stud, breeders will line up to breed to him for $100K a pop. At the same time bemoaning in their seminars how the number of starts per horse have declined recently. I wish I could shake some sense into their heads and make them send their prime mares to Tiznow, Slew City Slew, Devil His Due, Include, instead of their third level.

Bold Reasoning 10-22-2006 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
And when he goes to stud, breeders will line up to breed to him for $100K a pop. At the same time bemoaning in their seminars how the number of starts per horse have declined recently. I wish I could shake some sense into their heads and make them send their prime mares to Tiznow, Slew City Slew, Devil His Due, Include, instead of their third level.
I agree from what I know, but I was surprised by Tiznow. Why breed to him?:confused:

Slewbopper 10-22-2006 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning
I agree from what I know, but I was surprised by Tiznow. Why breed to him?:confused:
Who wants to breed to a horse that didn't even run in a stake race until the summer of his 3 yo year? Forget that he won 5 or 6 mil and is the only horse to win two BC classics.

Danzig 10-22-2006 07:22 PM
tiz has hit the ground running in his new career, already the sire of a bc winner. good to see!


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