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3kings 10-07-2015 10:35 AM

This is the Draft Kings PR director, what could go wrong.

http://nypost.com/2015/10/06/pr-guru...ports-scandal/

asudevil 10-07-2015 10:48 AM

"it's like a nightmare, it keeps getting worse." Tom Cruise
The color of money

declansharbor 10-07-2015 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1044732)
I miss the days of fantasy football when you came in on Mondays with USA Today and hand figured out the scores.

This!

I remember monday afternoons, getting off of the school bus and heading straight to Tano's Deli for the Daily News for me to add up the fantasy numbers from the night before. A staple of my childhood, as my dad used to run a league for us kids and our best friends. He did weekly write-ups too that would leave us in tears of laughter. The good ol' days!

Kasept 10-07-2015 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1044734)
fan duel announced permanent employee bans from dfs:

http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/...y-amid-inquiry


Danzig 10-07-2015 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1044743)

:D
:tro:

and i think he took a shipload of money out of the barn as he went....


i saw earlier that wyoming has shut down their historical racing games, that the same group who said they were ok has now said they aren't....but i bet you can do draftkings or fanduel in wyoming!

Needing the Wire 10-07-2015 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knickslions2 (Post 1044732)
I miss the days of fantasy football when you came in on Mondays with USA Today and hand figured out the scores.

:tro: Laughed out loud, Knicks...Thanks!

Just a little update on how DFS is coming through the scandal from tonight's experience:

I started playing FanDuel in February this year...enjoy throwing $5 or $10 in a night on the NHL. Hockey is 2nd best sport behind the horses IMO. Anyway, tonight is NHL opening night and I entered 3 High Payout games for tonight... ON MONDAY because they "fill up" really quick. The $100,000 Guaranteed NHL game on a $5 play was open to first 22,994 entries (I know...sweet rake). This contest should have been filled by noon today...EASY, but when I checked at 6PM...16,000 entries with 1 hour to go. It closed at 7PM with 19,024 entries putting FD in a negative $4,880 position. All 3 Guaranteed Contests I entered tonight came up "Short" of Break Even(@$7200 total), much less the Rake. I have only noticed 1 guaranteed contest in 8 months not "Fill" and it still covered the Payout portion.

I know that dollar amount is nothing vs. previous revenues, but I found it interesting. I'm sure the Pro's are still playing, but some of my fellow "small time schmuck's" don't seem to want to donate this evening.

Maybe players will come back, maybe they won't, but I am definitely going to watch NFL Contests this Sunday to see if they reach Break Even in all of these 6 and 7 Figure Payout Games.

I'm heading to Keeneland next Wednesday through Saturday so I can feel like a "Big Time Schmuck". If anyone else is attending, come say "hello". Will be on 2nd floor overlooking the paddock...probably looking to the heavens for a "single". :D

Have a great night.

jnunan4759 10-08-2015 11:00 AM

This might be only the tip of the iceberg. I think jms is on to something. These are private, unregulated companies. Who knows what is really going on.

Holybull1 10-08-2015 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1044716)
I think the next shoe to drop is that the whales have been given access to this information ahead of time already. Read that 1.5% of players win 91% of the money...

Scary. That would be like if whales had access to tote info in our game. Oh wait....

Kasept 10-08-2015 08:44 PM

Millionaire sports gambler explains why regular guys are getting fleeced playing daily fantasy sports
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/millio...ory&soc_trk=tw

Danzig 10-08-2015 08:48 PM

And just saw that a class action suit has been filed....

asudevil 10-09-2015 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 1044730)
Fair? Funny how you don't mention that term when you gloat about New Jersey not being allowed to have Sports betting. As far as taxation is concerned I don't think these sites are stupid enough to not issue a W-2G for those hitting big pots.

Taxation on their revenue! Like casinos, race tracks, and lotteries pay.

jms62 10-09-2015 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by asudevil (Post 1044857)
Taxation on their revenue! Like casinos, race tracks, and lotteries pay.

So you are saying DraftKings and Fanduel dont pay taxes?

HoosierInOhio 10-09-2015 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1044849)
Millionaire sports gambler explains why regular guys are getting fleeced playing daily fantasy sports
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/millio...ory&soc_trk=tw

That is really no different than casual fans coming to the track, or trying to take down a pick 6 with a $10 ticket.

Just like handicapping, if you want to win, do some research, hone your craft, don't follow the masses.

Danzig 10-09-2015 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HoosierInOhio (Post 1044899)
That is really no different than casual fans coming to the track, or trying to take down a pick 6 with a $10 ticket.

Just like handicapping, if you want to win, do some research, hone your craft, don't follow the masses.

but the nice thing about handicapping...you see the pools, and the odds. just think if only some horse players had that info, while the many had to just guess who was playing what.

HoosierInOhio 10-09-2015 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 1044910)
but the nice thing about handicapping...you see the pools, and the odds. just think if only some horse players had that info, while the many had to just guess who was playing what.

The ownership from the Thursday tourneys is readily available once the game starts. That can be used to project Sunday ownership. I've been using them all year for my Sunday lineups. One link is below, there are many others. The press really made a story out of nothing. Granted the DFS sites needed to do what they ended up doing not allowing employees to play, but the guy in the press was a scapegoat really.

Copy and paste

dfsreport.com/fanduel-thursday-ownership-percentages

jwkniska 10-12-2015 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asudevil (Post 1044728)
How about taxation? It's just not fair.

Anyone player that wins a cumulative net of $600 in a year gets a 1099-MISC

Kasept 12-11-2015 03:18 PM

DFS paused in NY pending court case..
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-fantasy-in-ny

Danzig 12-11-2015 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 1050099)
DFS paused in NY pending court case..
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-fantasy-in-ny

What was it Lincoln said.....something about one lawyer in a town soon grows thin, but two in a town grow fat!

Kasept 01-07-2016 07:37 PM

Must read..

How the Daily Fantasy Sports Industry Turns Fans Into Suckers
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/ma...one-share&_r=0

freddymo 01-11-2016 12:11 PM

Darren Rovell ‏@darrenrovell 14s15 seconds ago
BREAKING: FanDuel & DraftKings granted permanent stay by appellate panel in NY. Can take biz from New Yorkers throughout the appeal.


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