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helicopter11 08-29-2015 03:21 PM

Upstart hasnt surpassed his figure (Funny Cide Stakes) as a two year old yet. He is sitting on a big performance. I can see him as the upset and his recent works look wickedly good. Tall task to beat AP but I say he can get it done.

10 pnt move up 08-29-2015 03:33 PM

Triple Crown winner, biggest race of the summer, and no way to watch it? Really.

cakes44 08-29-2015 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by helicopter11 (Post 1041445)
Upstart hasnt surpassed his figure (Funny Cide Stakes) as a two year old yet. He is sitting on a big performance. I can see him as the upset and his recent works look wickedly good. Tall task to beat AP but I say he can get it done.

Tip of the hat if you hit. I think Upstart is the most overrated 3-year-old in the crop. The New York people tend to hold onto their horses like Grimm death.

Danzig 08-29-2015 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Left Bank (Post 1041388)
What I find disturbing is the entries by 4 very reputable trainers. Maybe this would explain their low win percentages at Saratoga.

Makes perfect sense. Great purse...and you never know.
ap looks great.

Danzig 08-29-2015 04:50 PM

See. Too bad

Left Bank 08-29-2015 04:52 PM

Well, it's called the graveyard of favorites for a reason.

Kitan 08-29-2015 05:14 PM

And that's how you run a horse race. Think you have the "better" horse then ride him as such and don't let the "champ" get it easy as per usual.

Port Conway Lane 08-29-2015 05:18 PM

Class connections for the winner and runnerup.

10 pnt move up 08-29-2015 05:24 PM

retired it seems

Pants II 08-29-2015 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1041506)
retired it seems

Heat of the moment. If it doesn't change in 48 hours then it's just a bad decision to retire on one loss with no attempt at redemption.

Danzig 08-29-2015 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 1041506)
retired it seems

I hope it was just disappointment talking.
i thought after the Haskell, and baffert saying the horse was a bit tired after shipping back, that they'd not run here.
But zayat wanted to.
I hope the horse comes back well from the effort today, they can let him catch a breath, and then train him up to the bcc.
Then again, they might have got to the bottom of him. He's had a good campaign. Can't say they did anything wrong, you run a horse when he's doing well. But you also have to give him time when he shows the needs it.
Here's hoping he makes keeneland, and one more run.

casp0555 08-30-2015 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pants II (Post 1041513)
Heat of the moment. If it doesn't change in 48 hours then it's just a bad decision to retire on one loss with no attempt at redemption.

I tend to agree with Coach.
I don't believe the connections had any pre-Travers discussions about the plans for a "what if we lose" scenario. They should, and probably will, let the disappointment and reality of this outcome settle and then decide on the options.

Pants II 08-30-2015 12:06 PM

Justin deleted that tweet, btw.

They aren't going out like that.


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