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paisjpq 10-18-2006 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Dixie Porter
The Grand Master is back. I appoint him to take over. I'm not gonna play teacher around here. ONLY because it's Bethani I will make this one last comment.

Ruffian was bred in DEEP PURPLE (Reveiwer/Shennanigans by Native Dancer) owned by a Blueblood, and trained by an excellent horseman (Frank Whitely).

It wasn't exactly a surprise when she could run.

The above being said, she was the GREATEST horse to ever set foot on a race track. I saw every one of her races and saw her 100's of mornings.

:)
I knew she didn't meet your modest pedigree requirement...But I still think she deserved mention.:)

paisjpq 10-18-2006 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Dixie Porter
As I stated above, "it's like trying to herd cats".

:confused:
'meow'....;)

Cajungator26 10-18-2006 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Dixie Porter
I know you may find this astonishing, but he was before my time.

:rolleyes:
UNREAL! :eek:

(Kidding.) :D

dalakhani 10-18-2006 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Dixie Porter
Affirmed had one of the best trainers of all time. (Laz)

Buddy Delp (Bid) was a superb conditioner.

I gotta get outta here or I'll be on this thread all day.......................
I love Lava Man, but the O'Neil thing is what makes that guy go.
I threw in skip away at the beginning and you didnt address it. Does he not fit your criteria?

boswd 10-18-2006 10:45 AM
Zippy Chippy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Coach Pants 10-18-2006 11:00 AM
Heritage of Gold was a tough mare

Pedigree Ann 10-18-2006 11:15 AM
Native Diver. Never got the respect he deserved. THREE Hollywood Gold Cups, and under real handicap weights. How about Best Pal or Budroyal? Professional racehorses all.

Antitrust32 10-18-2006 12:02 PM
umm Seabiscuit anyone?

No pedigree - unheard of trainer - one eyed jock - faced everyone and beat the blue blood War Admiral

Downthestretch55 10-18-2006 12:07 PM
My vote goes to Round Table...for yesteryear.
Current runner...hmmm, can't make up my mind. I'll defer for now.

Cajungator26 10-18-2006 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
umm Seabiscuit anyone?

No pedigree - unheard of trainer - one eyed jock - faced everyone and beat the blue blood War Admiral
Seabiscuit was raised on Claiborne Farm and had a better than average pedigree. He happened to be smaller, knobby kneed and considered lazy... but his pedigree was definitely not lacking IMO.

GenuineRisk 10-18-2006 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Seabiscuit was raised on Claiborne Farm and had a better than average pedigree. He happened to be smaller, knobby kneed and considered lazy... but his pedigree was definitely not lacking IMO.
I agree, Cajun. He was by Hard Tack, as was Man O'War, who was WA's dad (did that make War Admiral Seabiscuit's uncle? Tee hee). Swing On is said to have been, "nicely bred," whatever that means.

philcski 10-18-2006 12:47 PM
Azeri!
Won 11 G1's and 3 G2's despite an only moderate pedigree (top owner of course)... came with a fight EVERY time. Raced until 6.

What a fantastic mare.

sham 10-18-2006 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
I agree, Cajun. He was by Hard Tack, as was Man O'War, who was WA's dad (did that make War Admiral Seabiscuit's uncle? Tee hee). Swing On is said to have been, "nicely bred," whatever that means.
Fair Play was sire of MOW. MOW was Seabiscuit's grandpa.

Antitrust32 10-18-2006 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Cajungator26
Seabiscuit was raised on Claiborne Farm and had a better than average pedigree. He happened to be smaller, knobby kneed and considered lazy... but his pedigree was definitely not lacking IMO.

you are right... my bad. but i still feel like he belongs as a real race horse! and I agree with Azeri. How about Free House? Eventhough he had the owner and trainer combo... but he definatly didnt have the breeding

sham 10-18-2006 12:57 PM
Here's one with no pedigree and connections...Lost in the Fog.

MISTERGEE 10-18-2006 01:07 PM
How Bout This One
 
For Some Reason Forego Seems To Fit Here Very Well

Cajungator26 10-18-2006 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
you are right... my bad. but i still feel like he belongs as a real race horse! and I agree with Azeri. How about Free House? Eventhough he had the owner and trainer combo... but he definatly didnt have the breeding
He was definitely a real racehorse in my book, too.

Dixie just happened to set a specific set of guidelines... what a SURPRISE! :eek: :D

GenuineRisk 10-18-2006 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sham
Fair Play was sire of MOW. MOW was Seabiscuit's grandpa.
You're right; I got my typing confused! That would make WA SB's uncle, right? :) (At least I got that part. Oy. Need caffeine...)

Cajungator26 10-18-2006 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk
You're right; I got my typing confused! That would make WA SB's uncle, right? :) (At least I got that part. Oy. Need caffeine...)
Shoot, I'm getting too old for this... if MOW was Seabiscuit's grandpa and War Admiral's dad... LOL

Bold Reasoning 10-18-2006 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig188
i'd say all around, i'd give it to northern dancer. when you look at what he accomplished (and the lack of mares in his book, much like bold ruler) it's just amazing. and then to have the top stakes producers all come from him--danzig with the north american record, danehill with the world record, and then sadler's wells....the diminutive stallion was a huge success--both on and off the track. and got short or long, dirt or turf...
altho seattle slew was successful (i give him the edge track-wise) i don't think he has made as big of a mark as the dancer.
i think native dancer fits as well, a fabulous runner, and raise a native has added to his legend.
bold ruler was outstanding as well...

but if you have to choose one for all around--i'd give it to the canadian sensation.
To some extent, Slew is still a work in progress. He came on the scene thirteen years after Northern Dancer. A son with much potential is waiting in the wings: VINDICATION. :D


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