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kentuckyrosesinmay 10-15-2006 01:37 PM

What!!! The last quarter of the mile was under 25 seconds. I thought that the BSF would have been quite a bit higher than that! Well, Scat Daddy was goofing off down the lane, and could have won by more had he not run so green, but still...That number is too low.

Nobiz Like Shobiz was a little rank in the early going as well. I look for both these horses to do well in the Juvy. I don't care what their BSF was. I don't think that it is correct anyway. These are two class animals.

Rupert Pupkin 10-15-2006 02:34 PM

The best 2 year old filly I've seen this year is a filly named Zada Belle. It's really not even close. She is the best by far. She broke her maiden on Friday at Santa Anita. She looks like an absolute freak.

Cunningham Racing 10-15-2006 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
The best 2 year old filly I've seen this year is a filly named Zada Belle. It's really not even close. She is the best by far. She broke her maiden on Friday at Santa Anita. She looks like an absolute freak.

Yeah, she is fast....got a 98 Beyere for that effort....I agree she is immensely talented but you won't see her running beyond one turn...she's clearly a sprinter...

RP, you don't like Dreaming of Anna?

Rupert Pupkin 10-15-2006 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah she was awesome friday. Super fast. Do you think she is going to stretch out?

I don't think she'll have any problem stretching out. She doesn't look like a sprinter at all. Did you guys see the way she's built? She's a big, tall, long-striding filly.

Cunningham Racing 10-15-2006 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
I don't think she'll have any problem stretching out. She doesn't look like a sprinter at all. Did you guys see the way she's built? She's a big, tall, long-striding filly.

Yeah, but based on her pedigree and brilliance I doubt she goes very far effectively....just my opinion though.....good horses can sometimes overcome that...Madcap shouldn't have ever been able to go 1 1/8-miles but she almost won the freakin Oaks because she was just that brilliant....

You never know I guess....I'll say this though. I had a similar thought about the Carson City filly Ralph Nicks ran yesterday in the Frizette.....she was a Carson City trying to go a mile (which we know is a big stretch for his progeny 99% of the time) but I bet her because she didn't look at all like your typical Carson City horse...she had a lot more scope to her and took more from the Deputy Minister side (the dam) - so I bet her...

...needless to say, when the smoke cleared she proved she was a sprinter regardless of her bulid and was walking the final furlong of the race and ran a horrible third....

Rupert Pupkin 10-15-2006 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
Yeah, but based on her pedigree and brilliance I doubt she goes very far effectively....just my opinion though.....good horses can sometimes overcome that...Madcap shouldn't have ever been able to go 1 1/8-miles but she almost won the freakin Oaks because she was just that brilliant....

You never know I guess....I'll say this though. I had a similar thought about the Carson City filly Ralph Nicks ran yesterday in the Frizette.....she was a Carson City trying to go a mile (which we know is a big stretch for his progeny 99% of the time) but I bet her because she didn't look at all like your typical Carson City horse...she had a lot more scope to her and took more from the Deputy Minister side (the dam) - so I bet her...

...needless to say, when the smoke cleared she proved she was a sprinter regardless of her bulid and was walking the final furlong of the race and ran a horrible third....

Pollard's Vision was by Carson City. He won plenty of times at 1 1/8 miles. I don't konw if he ever won at 1 1/4 miles.

Cunningham Racing 10-15-2006 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
Pollard's Vision was by Carson City. He won plenty of times at 1 1/8 miles. I don't konw if he ever won at 1 1/4 miles.

So was Balto Star, who won at 1 1/2 miles...it happens, but statistics say that most Indian Charlies out of a Carson City female family won't be going very much further than 7-8 panels....

we'll see...I do think she as a bright future though and was impressed by her race....

pgardn 10-15-2006 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing
Yeah, but based on her pedigree

Dammit who showed the horse her pedigree?

Now she will know she cant run long.

kentuckyrosesinmay 10-15-2006 05:51 PM

Guys, I'm sure you recognized this, but that filly is very special. Jesus Christ, what a performance first time out! She was never even asked but she looked like she was giving it her all. She is so much more physically mature than all the other fillies that it is unreal. She is HUGE but light, and such a lovely horse.

Thanks for pointing her out Rupert. I think that she might can get some distance based on that performance. I'm in LOVE...

She took my breath away...


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