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lemoncrush 10-06-2006 08:37 AM

I'm a little scared of taking CQ on the poly, but two turns is the last thing that worries me about him.
He just destroyed arguably some of the top 2 year olds in the country at Saratoga in a Grade 1, and now people think he's going to lay an egg against a field that includes 2 maidens and a horse that won a stakes at River Downs??
Gomez stays on CQ, which is even more reason to like him.
I'm not going to bet him to win at a short price, but will single him in
my pick 4.

Street Sense is the real deal, and ran well against two horses I love (unbridled express and Officer Rocket). Great hunter should also run well here.

SniperSB23 10-06-2006 09:20 PM

Circular Quay got an inflated Beyer last out and is a total play against. I like Great Hunter to win but if he continues his seconditis I like Passport or Street Sense long before CQ.

Sightseek 10-06-2006 09:42 PM

French Transition

miraja2 10-06-2006 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Circular Quay got an inflated Beyer last out and is a total play against. I like Great Hunter to win but if he continues his seconditis I like Passport or Street Sense long before CQ.

So now Quay isn't even in the exacta? I have to tell you....I just don't understand this thinking at all.
I am usually not one for bold predictions.....but based on his first three races, this colt is for real.
As for the 1st post on the thread, I don't understand why you would refer to a G1 winner as "Pletcher's Thunder Gulch" as if he were a first time starter. Why does this horse get no respect. Did you people SEE his last race?

Danzig 10-07-2006 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
So now Quay isn't even in the exacta? I have to tell you....I just don't understand this thinking at all.
I am usually not one for bold predictions.....but based on his first three races, this colt is for real.
As for the 1st post on the thread, I don't understand why you would refer to a G1 winner as "Pletcher's Thunder Gulch" as if he were a first time starter. Why does this horse get no respect. Did you people SEE his last race?

can't speak for everyone, but i certainly respect him and think he's done very well.
but these are two year olds who change with the wind. maybe he moves on, maybe he doesn't. anyone who looks for races to beat the fave and try to find value would be insane not to try here.

miraja2 10-07-2006 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188
anyone who looks for races to beat the fave and try to find value would be insane not to try here.

Well I guess I must be insane then because I try to beat faves all the time, but I wouldn't bet against Circular Quay with your great-grandma's Monopoly money. If the Poly and the 8.5 scare you off the horse (which I don't think they should) then I would just sit the race out altogether.
To me betting against CQ after what he showed in his last race (not to mention his first two) is like flushing money down a toilet. He is - in my opinoin - clearly the best colt in this race. To me that doesn't make him a good bet-against.
For some reason I just can't stay away from this board when there is a good Circular Quay debate going on.

lemoncrush 10-07-2006 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Circular Quay got an inflated Beyer last out and is a total play against. I like Great Hunter to win but if he continues his seconditis I like Passport or Street Sense long before CQ.

His beyer has nothing to do with why he's the best horse. If you've seen any of his 3 races, you know what kind of special animal he is. It's not just a 2-year old peaking early or having a lucky day.
I'm singling CQ in the pick 4 (my only bet of the day at Keenland).

Danzig 10-07-2006 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Well I guess I must be insane then because I try to beat faves all the time, but I wouldn't bet against Circular Quay with your great-grandma's Monopoly money. If the Poly and the 8.5 scare you off the horse (which I don't think they should) then I would just sit the race out altogether.
To me betting against CQ after what he showed in his last race (not to mention his first two) is like flushing money down a toilet. He is - in my opinoin - clearly the best colt in this race. To me that doesn't make him a good bet-against.
For some reason I just can't stay away from this board when there is a good Circular Quay debate going on.

lol
that's the thing...if you don't feel you can beat the fave, you try to find someone playable underneath, or just sit back and watch cq waltz. not all faves are beatable...BUT if any horse would be a 'take a stand againt' as the fave today, i feel it's CQ. just never know with the babies...

avance2000 10-07-2006 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by avance2000
i like great hunter in this spot.
as a son of aptitude he should appreciate the stretch out in distance. his numbers are solid and improving and i think the switch to espinoza will be a perfect fit.
he should be a good price too since all the $$ will probably go to pletcher's thunder gulch.


Bam!! I nailed this one. I hit a huge win bet and the exacta! I love this game!!

The Bid 10-07-2006 04:08 PM

Nice Pick Avance, he did relish the extra ground. Congrats

Scav 10-07-2006 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by avance2000
Bam!! I nailed this one. I hit a huge win bet and the exacta! I love this game!!

Nice hit Avance, love the result here because it just helped odds on CQ on Breeder's Day.......

The Bid 10-07-2006 04:09 PM

Sniper, nice spot as well

miraja2 10-07-2006 04:53 PM

I stand corrected.
Hard to know exactly why he didn't fire today. Maybe it was the Poly, maybe it was the 2 turns. I guess we just don't know yet. I rarely get super excited about a 2yo but I made an exception for this guy. He didn't totally bomb today....but he didn't blow by them like I thought he would.
Like Scav, I still plan on playing him BC day.

SniperSB23 10-08-2006 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush
His beyer has nothing to do with why he's the best horse. If you've seen any of his 3 races, you know what kind of special animal he is. It's not just a 2-year old peaking early or having a lucky day.
I'm singling CQ in the pick 4 (my only bet of the day at Keenland).

With the stupid fractions they ran in the Hopeful anyone could have picked up the pieces. I was honestly more impressed with him getting up for second here than in winning the Hopeful.

Pedigree Ann 10-08-2006 02:35 PM

Anybody bother to read the chart?

"Circular Quay settled inside early, lost position concluding the backstretch, was asked for more entering the far turn when angled five wide, was bumped twice by the winner nearing the stretch and forced out on Passport, then continued off the inside and gamely earned the place."

In other words, CQ had himself an eventful trip. Great Hunter got first run and was gone before CQ was able to regroup. Would he have won with a better trip? Don't know. Great Hunter is from a different circuit and that circuit may just have a slightly better bunch of 2yos this year. Not enough evidence to blame poly for his second.

Sightseek 10-08-2006 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Circular Quay got an inflated Beyer last out and is a total play against. I like Great Hunter to win but if he continues his seconditis I like Passport or Street Sense long before CQ.

Nice job. :)


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