:zz::zz: Yes I suck but I suck on my own. I don't lose and then publicly call out Andy like you. I take responsibility. Maybe you should too and then you could get back to repairing your pathetic life. Please point out ONE single winner you have given in the selections thread Knuckledragger? Just one and you can go back has far as you want.

The more I read about this, the more it looks like Martin didn't want to play football and was looking for a way out.

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/11/07/richie...-lydon-murtha/

Not sure he's such a creep.

Regardless of this situation his track record makes him a creep. Booted off 2 college teams, voted dirtiest player, battles with Coach in St. Louis, unable to stick with pathetic Buffalo Bills.

sticks and stones.... ah forget it.

Agree. Truth is it looks like there maybe plenty of blame to go around.

shocking

Typical from you 2. Start the thread now look at everything coming out. Not one player on Miami is siding with Martin, not 1. Odd? I certainly think so.
There is a difference in being a dirty player and being a racist POS. From all accounts, even his former teams I would want Rich on my team.
ALso Danzig lets be fair... You post the article about punching him. How about the article that was all over ESPN and twitter today from a former Dolphins player totally blowing up Martins story. Every story.
Here is what is really happening. Martin is soft and overly sensitive. Thats OK, I consider myself a sensitive guy when it comes to things like my sons and work, etc.... But its really not OK in an NFL locker room. He was looking for a way out. Why have multiple people including the QB said these 2 were best friends 2 weeks ago?????

didnt see the other. got busy with work.
yeah, he's too sensitive...i mean, he should just let those texts just roll off his back. whats a little racism between friends? :zz:

How many African American men are on the Dophins? How many else agree with MArtin? Its not a little fishy to you?

it's not a popularity contest for me. i found incognito's texts reprehensible and inexcusable. others might want to give him a pass because he has football talent, and maybe they can relate to that, but that means nothing to me.
them closing ranks is akin to cops defending one of their own who is crooked.

just went to espn, and saw a story about a harassment investigation into incognitos behavior at a golf outing. there's another that says dolphins are 'mixed' regarding martin. wheres the story youre talking about?

i will read that.
please go to slate, where they have an article discussing why the dolphins are siding with the harasser and not martin.
i cant post the link, on the road to our little piece of heaven, on my phone.

oh, ok, its about the si 'insider' article. they reference it in the slate article.

yeah, as a past victim of abuse, that article doesn't surprise me, because my abuser had plenty of people ready and willing to vilify me and support him. typical behavior.

I get it, but not even 1 other play not 1 has defended Martin, thats not a little odd?

you mean players still on the team. not surprised at all. they don't want this attention. people don't like to scratch the surface of things either. then they might have to think, re-examine, perhaps change.
and like the one article said, it's a mixed bag of reaction. when you have a group tho, working for a common goal, they don't like stuff like this to deal with. it doesn't mean martin is lying, is wrong, or that incognito is right. no one wants to be viewed as being disloyal by saying anything that could be hurtful to the team. right now, they all just want it to go away.

Interesting. Let me just say that I think in this case Incognito is jerk an an exception to what I'm about to write.

I think this is just the beginning of these type of stories. Society has changed in the last 20 years. People used to work out issues at school, in the neighborhood, or at work amongst themselves. People used to deal with their own problems and it worked. Now young adults and children are taught to run as fast as they can to let "adults, teachers, parents, lawyers" whomever fight their battle. People under 35 seldom have had to work out problems by themselves. They have been taught to quit your job, transfer schools, let their parents deal with it etc... instead of working out their problems with each other.

Sadly, this is a trend I see continuing. I will put this in context of work but it could be dealing with issues at school or with coaches etc....
This is why it is hard to find good employees, they have never been told they made the wrong decision or their work isn't up to par. When they are,they are being persecuted or their employer is picking on them. People need to take responsibility for their own actions and in most cases work out issues amongst themselves.