WTF, how come I didn't know about this?

That was before the real hostilities began. Also Hennessey is already proven sire with fertility problems. They may not want to help Giants Causeway in any manner.

And after having a conversation with someone on the team I'd say that any connection to coolmore may get a horse on the blacklist.
But you never really know what they are going to do except spend a bunch of money on somebodies horses.

He didn't win at age two, and didnt show precociousness.
Hes also a HUGE risk because hes standing at a fledgling operation without a proven large broodmare base. He may not have gone to the best mares in his debut season, and that could effect future value of the offspring.

What the hell is the deal with this anyways? I remember reading about it but I didn't retain it....the only thing I retain in general is horses PP's anyways :D :D

ain't that the truth..

They may not have the best mares (not all farms can be Juddmonte :cool: ), but their marketing to get the best mares is down right brilliant.

Yeah I know all about it, you get to go back for free if you breed a stakes winner.
But Sightseek lets face it, sires who start out at a farm who is stocked with black type mares have an edge.

Could this mean that some of the new "players" could be looking for some top quality mares that didnt make it to the track but were well bred. I guess the key is why they didnt make it to the track.

MDo is by a turf sire out of non-descript turf leaning female family. FS was more successful racing at shorter distances as a 2 yo which is what the buyers seem to want. Also FS's dam was a sprinter who has produced speed. He has a good combination of speed and stamina while MDo pedigree suggests long on turf.

Marketing may sell rain jackets but it usually spells desperation in the stallion business. If your mare produces a stake winner you wont necessarily need a free stud fee.

LOL! Cannon Shell you read my mind.

Oh no doubt, which is why Bellamy Road is doomed. The farm has no mares to support him and even I, the worlds biggest BR lover, wouldn't breed to him with all of the other options in Kentucky.

You also hit the nail on the head, First Sam's progeny have the potential to be track ready much sooner.

They are trying to break into a market that is pretty exclusive to a very small amount of farms, of course they are desperate. But, you also can't stand there and not try something new to compete with them.

In addition to that Sightseek, breeders usally take a wait and see attitude with sires who didn't run to their breeding. By that I mean those who showed traits not associated with their sire lines.
El Prado is just awesome as a sire but is predominantly associated with grass and route horses with little speed.
Medag was just an awesome horse, and he showed such a love for dirt and had very good speed, but hes about the only El Prado who ever did. That causes people to wonder if he was just a "freak", and freaks rarely reproduce themselves. They most often revert to siring horses more in line with their breeding.
I will tell you this though, If Medag has a good first couple of crops, and does in fact sire horses with speed who run on dirt, there is no limit as to how high his stud fee could end up being. Hes probably the stallion I see the most with "the skys the limit potential" if his first few crops work out ok.

Uh what about doing what works in other businesses, competitive pricing.

stop with the blasphemy!

The only horse on their roster that I don't see as being very competitive is Unforgettable Max, expecially when you can breed to Giant's Causeway's brother for like $3,500. Not too sure what Hill N' Dale had Doneraile Court at as I was never a fan. Leroidanimaux, pedigree & performance...but you need a very correct mare to breed to him.

Clearly you are forgetting El Prado's best of the best; CHINDI! ;) (I'm kidding, but he is a VERY cool horse)

I agree with you on all points. :)

Leroidesanimaux is probably a bit too high at $30k
Doneraile Court is ok at 10K
MDO is a bit pricey at 40K
Unforgetable Max should be 5k
Value Plus is ok at 10k

The prices are ok but not a bargin