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Sightseek 09-26-2006 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Excerpts from Oak Tree stable notes.....


Probable for the 38th running of the Hirsch at 1 1/4 miles: Artiste Royal, Pat Valenzuela; Don Incauto, no rider; Fantastic Spain, no rider; Quinquin the King, Corey Nakatani; T.H. Approval, Alex Solis; and The Tin Man, Victor Espinoza.

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Probable for the 30th running of the Yellow Ribbon, at 1 1/4 miles on turf: Amorama, Victor Espinoza; Dancing Edie, Corey Nakatani; Live Life, Pat Valenzuela; Singalong, no rider; Three Degrees, Alex Solis; and Wait A While, Garrett Gomez.

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Lady's Secret noms.....
http://www.oaktreeracing.com/frame.p...p_Handicap.pdf

Oak Leaf noms.....
http://www.oaktreeracing.com/frame.p...Cup_Stakes.pdf
Thanks, great weekend!

copying 09-27-2006 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by boswd
You see when you play a percentage game you can have high numbers that may be misleading.


I would love to see the number of horses who have had their final preps at Belmont and the number of ITM horse as well. Something tells me that their have been a higher number of horse tuning up at Belmont Vs. Oak Tree and more winners but the percentage would not be as high.

That's another way of saying Belmont horses have 3 more BC wins but entered 200 more horses.

copying 09-27-2006 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Secretariat
numbers don't lie but you can lie with numbers.

you new yorkers just make up your own tales to tell don't ya.

the article says 38%, that would be a 5% better than expected
ITM percent if you only count three circuits. how convenient that you discount Illinois, Texas, and Florida.

that makes six circuits, and thus presses the Percntage to 38% vs. 16.66 which is 1/6.
Don't forget to add in the rest of the world -- Europe, Asia, Australia, etc.

P.S. Never confront Easterners with facts, you'll get thrown off the board.

boswd 09-27-2006 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by copying
That's another way of saying Belmont horses have 3 more BC wins but entered 200 more horses.
I am willing to bet that horses that have had their last races at Belmont before the BC are far more than just three more than Oak Tree.

boswd 09-27-2006 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by copying
Don't forget to add in the rest of the world -- Europe, Asia, Australia, etc.

P.S. Never confront Easterners with facts, you'll get thrown off the board.
He didn't get thrown off because he doesn't agree with Eastern race fans it was because he has been rude and offensive to many people on other threads and topics, it was just the last straw.
I truely welcome any debate and Western Race has to offer. I say bring it on. I can debate and have fun with it without degrading anyone.

copying 09-27-2006 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by boswd
I am willing to bet that horses that have had their last races at Belmont before the BC are far more than just three more than Oak Tree.

I was just making up numbers as an example...

blackthroatedwind 09-27-2006 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by copying
I was just making up numbers as an example...
How can something made up be an example of anything.....other than someone proving they have no valid point.

Scav 09-27-2006 09:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by copying
P.S. Never confront Easterners with facts, you'll get thrown off the board.
I don't think this is a fair statement at all.

Copying, Secretariat has a long history here of being ridiculous, he had it coming. He was the first and hopefully the last that needs to go

Gander 09-27-2006 09:54 AM
Scavs- I think what he is implying is east coast people are stereotypcially hard headed and bullies when it comes to being right and getting their own way. God knows I work with enough imports from NYC and New Jersey to realize that this isnt the most far fetched stereotype that has ever been conceived. While I dont know enough people from Chicago (and the ones I do are all great), I cant blame people for thinking the way they do :o

copying 09-27-2006 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by merasmag
i'm not good at math but i think i understand what copying was saying, but my question is, do the horsies care about this? do they know who prepped where? if anyone knows for sure the answer to this please pm me
You can't even go by the numbers as reported. For example, Borrego. Was he a western horse? Yet he prepped for the BC at Belmont. If Wait a While wins one of the f&m races, does prepping at Oak Tree make her a west coast horse?

Proves nothing, means nothing.

oracle80 09-27-2006 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by copying
You can't even go by the numbers as reported. For example, Borrego. Was he a western horse? Yet he prepped for the BC at Belmont. If Wait a While wins one of the f&m races, does prepping at Oak Tree make her a west coast horse?

Proves nothing, means nothing.
Chiefs Crown prepped for the inaugural Breeders Cup juvy in the Norfolk at SA. He was Ny based his whole life before and after, that also does not make him a Cali horse.


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