Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 908195)

Yeah, I didn't consider Sighty's theory as well.

Sighty's theory makes the most sense, now that I think about it, since I guess it's possible to think Invasor ducked Bernardini in a race that was possible for both to be in.

Wait, didn't Invasor win the Suburban too?

Wow, this is confusing!

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 908190)

I think he is confused.

I'm sure he was thinking of the Whitney, but how it was Invasor ducking a race that he actually won is a bit puzzling.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 908178)

I didn't bet on Bernardini in the BC Classic and I didn't rate him quite as high as some did...but I do believe he was best in that race. I think any competent trip handicapper would agree.

Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 908196)

If I guessed right can you convince Andy to send me an autographed 2013 NYRA calendar? :)

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 908205)

No, not really. I think if Bernardini was in his normal position, since the pace was pretty hot, he still would have been run down by Invasor. I could be wrong, but I don't think it is clear either way. Invasor's versatility was proven, Bernardini's wasn't.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 908234)

I agree with Doug. Castellano panicked, thinking he wasn't running, and asked WAY too soon. I made plenty of money with Invasor winning, but he shouldn't have.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 908240)

Certainly possible, but did we have any proof Bernardini could win from that position in a route? Very few horses with his style are successful with that maneuver.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 908233)

I am sure he was thinking about Invasor scratching from the Gold Cup with a fake fever.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 908242)

He lost by a half length, after a premature move, which is enough proof for me, even though I get your point.

Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 908250)

I'm on my phone so I'm not looking up a chart, but wasn't it more than a half?

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 908233)

I am sure he was thinking about Invasor scratching from the Gold Cup with a fake fever.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 908331)

Here is one turf horse who should have ducked English Channel




Danehill's usually suck hard on the dirt compared to turf. Frankel was Galileo on top and Danehill on the bottom ... it's hard to imagine a pedigree any more slanted to turf VS dirt.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 908074)

Meanwhile, among the most surprising of this years obscure first-crop sires is the relative pile of crap racehorse Frost Giant (who raced for Dutrow Jr.)

He's only had 14 starters -- but they've combined to win 16 of 46 races for a dazzling 35% win percentage.

After their debut, they're 13-for-32 (41% wins) and they've stretched out fine so far, winning 4 of 9 route attempts.

He's based in New York ... two of his 14 horses to race so far have already earned over 175K.

I still think he's quite overpriced at his $7,500 stud fee. He is Frost Giant, afterall... AKA the horse who single handedly ruined the Grade 1 status of the most historic New York stakes race, the Suburban Handicap...probably forever.