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Riot 11-12-2012 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 901747)
anyone that signs a pledge dictating how they will act regardless of circumstances has abdicated their responsibility as a legislator and has no business in any legislative body.
Did you realize that Grover Norquist created his "no taxes" pledge when he was 12 years old?

That's right - we have a whole bunch of politicians who declare fealty to an unelected 12-year-old's tax plan.

hi_im_god 11-12-2012 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 901758)
Obama won 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the country (for 1% of the overall vote).

Obama's win was a landslide, Romney got less than 48% of the vote. Romney got less votes than Kerry did losing to Bush in 2004.

Blacks are only about 11-15% of voters. Yes, Obama won blacks. And every other demographic except old white men. But Obama won plenty of white men.

Obama won among the largest demographic group of all, who came out in record numbers: women. Even Republican women.

The Republican party, via Romney, told 47% of the country that they wouldn't take responsibility for their lives and are moochers - and to stand by that statement, to blame that for his electoral loss - well, keep doing that and continue Republican irrelevancy forever.

Romney didn't "lose" - Obama won. By superior ground game, policies, message, and accomplishment.
"Obama won 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the country"

and yet republicans will continue to fall on the sword to protect those same people (at least 50% of whom voted democratic) from paying a marginally higher income tax rate.

it's a head scratcher.

hi_im_god 11-12-2012 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 901761)
Did you realize that Grover Norquist created his "no taxes" pledge when he was 12 years old?

That's right - we have a whole bunch of politicians who declare fealty to an unelected 12-year-old's tax plan.
i didn't know that.

but it's hard to have even less respect for someone who opted out of thoughtful consideration as an option during their legislative career. i think i had already flatlined. you can't make it worse.

Riot 11-12-2012 05:58 PM
How about the fact that the evil 47% Romney talks about, the "takers and moochers" that some on the right demonize, are in reality primarily white poor in overwhelmingly white, Southern states?

Yes, that's right: the greatest "takers" of government "welfare", of food stamps, welfare, cell phones and free government programs are white southerners in poor red states like Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas, etc.

But that didn't stop the dog whistles.

Riot 11-12-2012 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 901768)
i didn't know that.

but it's hard to have even less respect for someone who opted out of thoughtful consideration as an option during their legislative career. i think i had already flatlined. you can't make it worse.
Agreed. I can't believe they say that shi.at publicly and hope to get re-elected.

Well, at least many of them were sent home this cycle.

Danzig 11-12-2012 06:56 PM
On statistic brain, i read some of the following.

% us population on welfare....4.1. 4.3 million people


Recipients who are white...38.8%
". Who are black.....39.8%

Running neck and neck on that.

15.7% hispanic, but to hear some on here, youd think it was a LOT higher

Danzig 11-12-2012 06:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 901768)
i didn't know that.

but it's hard to have even less respect for someone who opted out of thoughtful consideration as an option during their legislative career. i think i had already flatlined. you can't make it worse.
I cannot believe how many signed that pledge...and its completely counter to what much of the electorate thinks on the subject.
Its very hard to exhibit a desire to compromise when you have a majority of a group signing something like that. Limits what can be put on the table...

GenuineRisk 11-12-2012 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 901790)
On statistic brain, i read some of the following.

% us population on welfare....4.1. 4.3 million people


Recipients who are white...38.8%
". Who are black.....39.8%

Running neck and neck on that.

15.7% hispanic, but to hear some on here, youd think it was a LOT higher
I think statisticbrain misrepresents the stats. The 38.8 percent and 39.8 percent numbers are figures for poor single mothers receiving AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) assistance. Welfare in general is 61 percent white, 33 percent black.

Social Security, including disability payments, interestingly, is 88.7 white and 9.6 percent black.

The article has a lot more specifics. I don't know this blog at all, but the article seems pretty legit.

http://theobamacrat.com/2012/01/05/w...more-benefits/

Danzig 11-12-2012 08:27 PM
Had never heard of staticbrain actually. So that link was a first.
Thanks for letting me know it wasnt telling the whole story.
As for the above, i wonder why ss is so skewed.

GenuineRisk 11-12-2012 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 901809)
Had never heard of staticbrain actually. So that link was a first.
Thanks for letting me know it wasnt telling the whole story.
As for the above, i wonder why ss is so skewed.
Oh, no worries. I often find I have to check things I find against another site and half the time I find they contradict each other. So much information out there!

The article I linked to goes into why SS is so skewed. It's an interesting read. I mean, the writer clearly has an agenda, but the stats seem to stand up to scrutiny, so I can read that and tune out the polemics, as it were. ;)

pointmanscousin 11-12-2012 08:42 PM
^^^^ An obvious Hitchens wannabe.

Danzig 11-12-2012 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 901811)
Oh, no worries. I often find I have to check things I find against another site and half the time I find they contradict each other. So much information out there!

The article I linked to goes into why SS is so skewed. It's an interesting read. I mean, the writer clearly has an agenda, but the stats seem to stand up to scrutiny, so I can read that and tune out the polemics, as it were. ;)
read the article, interesting points made. and i didn't know that the life expectancy differed due to race.
the only part of ss i ever get steamed about are when i know people who are getting disability, and shouldn't be. i have a brother and sister who both 'work the system'.
my sisters disability? stress.
my brother hurt his back on the job. they offered him a desk job, he said he can't sit for very long. too painful. but he sure can sit and play world of warcraft day and night. loser.

docicu3 11-12-2012 10:50 PM
Romney didn't "lose" - Obama won. By superior ground game, policies, message, and accomplishment.

Add a perfectly timed hurricane that presented the ideal opportunity for the "Big O" to appear effective and concerned about those harmed and suffering.....with a dose of paranoia to "ration the fuel" of a conspiracy about election fraud in swing states due to software designed and owned by a Romney company to recreate the hanging chad phenomena by ignoring votes of certain candidates, so that the undecided, who are really the champion procrastinators of the voting world with the effect of a popular fat guy Gov. from Jersey focusing the media on what the Big "O" got right rather than a 4 star General CIA director trying to outkick his coverage and we have enough of a bump and grind for "four more years"........timing my friends is still everything in life!!

bigrun 11-12-2012 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by docicu3 (Post 901823)
Romney didn't "lose" - Obama won. By superior ground game, policies, message, and accomplishment.

Add a perfectly timed hurricane that presented the ideal opportunity for the "Big O" to appear effective and concerned about those harmed and suffering.....with a dose of paranoia to "ration the fuel" of a conspiracy about election fraud in swing states due to software designed and owned by a Romney company to recreate the hanging chad phenomena by ignoring votes of certain candidates, so that the undecided, who are really the champion procrastinators of the voting world with the effect of a popular fat guy Gov. from Jersey focusing the media on what the Big "O" got right rather than a 4 star General CIA director trying to outkick his coverage and we have enough of a bump and grind for "four more years"........timing my friends is still everything in life!!
FTFY

docicu3 11-12-2012 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 901825)
FTFY
Thank You.....my bad!

Antitrust32 11-13-2012 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 901809)
As for the above, i wonder why ss is so skewed.
Be cause of population percentages break down by race. Especially when you think of when the people who are now old enough to collect SS were born.

Seems about right.

ntheiroff 11-13-2012 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by hi_im_god (Post 901767)
"Obama won 8 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the country"

and yet republicans will continue to fall on the sword to protect those same people (at least 50% of whom voted democratic) from paying a marginally higher income tax rate.

it's a head scratcher.
If I am not mistaken, 5 or 6 of these counties are in Md and/or Va adjacent to Washington DC, inhabited by government workers. More "Free Stuff."

hi_im_god 11-13-2012 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ntheiroff (Post 901897)
If I am not mistaken, 5 or 6 of these counties are in Md and/or Va adjacent to Washington DC, inhabited by government workers. More "Free Stuff."
two. fairfax and louden county are in nova. you'll have to come up with another excuse for the other six.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-...154837437.html

and since the "free stuff" meme worked out so well, you should definetly keep pounding away at that winner.

Danzig 11-13-2012 06:18 PM
government workers= free stuff?
wow, i'll let my son, a sailor, know that he's not actually earning any of his benefits or pay.

by the by, most govt workers can't afford posh digs.

Riot 11-13-2012 08:16 PM
"free stuff" ... dang, my dogs are sitting up, screaming, at the Lee Atwater dog whistle.

Look at the polling, folks. The "real" polling that was accurate. Romney never had a chance. He got a slight bump after the first debate, that faded quickly. Conservatives were taken in by listening to their "guts" and bad polling data. I felt sorry for them, when I realized they really, really did expect a Romney win. They were mislead by bad data and guys like Dick Morris. Obama had this won 2 months ago, and the hurricane didn't do anything.


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