Looks like reality just set in.

Yeah, just thought of that. But, that track is kind of ridiculous.

Or maybe the track is playing with an east coast bias.

Kind of is being nice. I can't believe Joyful victory was second. she stinks.

:tro:

It's nice to see the Disease of Grab isn't exclusive to the East Coast jockey colony. Some display of ( lack of ) speed out there today.

The irony, however, of an East Coast filly defeating Include Me Out shouldn't be lost.

I agree about the grabbing. I think the fractions influenced the results more than any track bias.

:tro:
If she had went out it 46 and drew away I might agree with the track bias thing
but, Love and Pride got a pretty easy lead.

I expect the track to be very fast and speed favoring for the BC, since tracks like SA seem to be believe ultra fast times makes the horses and races look better from quality and historical perspective.

yeah, i thought it was delicious irony. i'm sure he wishes now he'd said nothing.

Tier 2 of the East Coast horses for the division whooped Include me out

Even though she did lose to the 2 east coast runners, I do believe she is disrespected. But not from east coast bias, it's the Ron Ellis bias, If Baffert, Sadler, or Hollendorfer had her she would probably be more respected. Just my opinion.

No such thing.

Ellis is a fine trainer and has been for a while. Was Rail Trip ever a victim of a Ron Ellis bias?

Sure, he's a miserable analyst who is often unprepared and rarely adds anything, but he's a very good horse trainer.

I'm not saying he's a bad trainer, I personally think he is a great trainer. He takes his time and runs his horses when and where they can win. I'm saying if Include Me Out was trained by the other 3 I mentioned the horse would get more respect than it gets being with Ellis as far as the majority of the media is concerned.
I also think the lack of pace in the race is what did Include Me Out in.

I know, but that's not the case.

If you think Include Me Out was trained by Hollendorfer or Sadler she'd have the following that horses like Royal Delta, Awesome Feather, Questing, and My Miss Aurelia have?

Not a chance.

Blind Luck didn't get a ton of respect just because Hollendorfer trained her -- she had a much better resume than Include Me Out and she was a better horse than her, plain and simple.

The better question about Include Me Out is what the hell was she doing so far back behind a slow pace early.

I think it was likely a case where they went into the race with that idea in mind.

I've heard Ron Ellis talk a lot over the years (unfortunately) -- and knowing how square he is, he complained about the ride she got when Talamo was over aggressive at Hollywood two back, and he's the type of person who would want the horse finishing as well as possible at 8.5f to "set her up" for 9f.

Moran had to be trolling.


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Thats funny, where does he write out of for espn?