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as long as folks go with the two big parties, we will continue to deal with all this bs. we need to all vote C. everyone. just think what would happen if the dems and reps both were kicked to the curb! my oh my. that would be awesome. won't happen. too many, on each side, still thinks their side is the one. wrong. both parties are owned by the same group of people. most big corporations donate similar amounts to both parties to hedge their bets. like gore vidal said, people need to recognize there aren't two parties. there is one party, run for 4% of the people. |
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Words have meanings, you know. |
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...ial/57837680/1 |
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I dunno, I guess when you are a shill, words don't have the same meaning. |
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Because it seems to me you are repeating a long-disproven RW talking point, that is referring actually to the ongoing cost of our debt created by George Bush (and previous to him), having zero to do with whoever is president now. You are merely quoting a chart of our national debt, and falsely assuming and falsely attributing that anything after 2008 is Obama's fault. That's false. Correct me. List Obama's debt since he's been elected, that adds up to 5 trillion. Let's see who's a shill. |
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That is how you convert % into real numbers. |
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http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...in-in-spending
"Nearly 100 prominent U.S. economists including former CBO Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin, Ohio University’s Richard Vedder, and James C. Miller, III, who headed up the White House Office of Management and Budget under Ronald Reagan, are telling President Barack Obama that his economic stimulus has failed" There is 3, your turn. |
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...an-under-bush/
*National Debt has increased more under Obama in three years that the entire Bush 8 year Presidency *The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office. *Mr. Obama has been quick to blame his predecessor for the soaring Debt, saying Mr. Bush paid for two wars and a Medicare prescription drug program with borrowed funds. The federal budget sent to Congress last month by Mr. Obama, projects the National Debt will continue to rise as far as the eye can see. The budget shows the Debt hitting $16.3 trillion in 2012, $17.5 trillion in 2013 and $25.9 trillion in 2022. So how is his plan paying down the debt again??!! Took all of .1 seconds to find - I'm surprised you have such a difficult time with the facts. |
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Do you not understand that? Again - Obama has not raised the national debt by starting programs that added $5 trillion to our national debt. If that were true, you would be able to show which programs those were. Can you? Here: this is deficit spending that contributes to our debt. Obama's policies through 2017 only cost $1.44 trillion - and a lot of that is paid for, not debt.  |
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it irritates me that they still only have two candidates in these debates. but those with the money have the say so. |
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but all the pols are acting like interest will remain low forever. that's hope, not proper planning. |
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Show one economist that says that data is wrong, and has his own data to disprove it (Hint - I know of two, that I've put on Derby Trail twice before, lets see if you can find them) |
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"President Obama has relied on short-term “stimulus” programs, which provided little sustainable lift to the economy. His future plans are to double down on the failed policies, which will only prolong slow growth and high unemployment." http://economistsforromney.com/ 654 signatures to date. So, she needs to come up with around 654,000. |
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Can you post anything from an economist proving the CBO data wrong? That the stimulus didn't work? Because the above doesn't say that, in spite of your pretending it does. |
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Please provide the names of the economists that are supporting the stimulus, and do so at the above rate. |
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Just one economist who disputes the CBO's numbers on jobs and GDP. We'll wait. In fact, I started another entire thread for you to join and discuss this and post your studies. Here's some figures for you to reference - I've posted the link to the CBO report previously in other threads Quote:
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