I didn't see that earlier posting. Our guys are more on the Con-Ed, underground structure and the way the beams were sistered and framed out that any weakening beneath those beams including 79 (which was a solo) would have easily been enough to drop the whole thing in that manner.
two buildings like those falling nearby is effectively an earthquake of pretty serious proportions.
I do remember all the safe statements, all too well actually. That was part of my request for the thoughts of those I use myself when we build.

I'm not in favor of rebuilding on the site. I feel that it's sacred ground and what they've done to it is awful.

To each his own but the waterfall is creepy as all get out.

And I couldn't imagine working in the new tower...especially on the holiday and at night.

detonation documented*:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZmSH...eature=related





*it's youtube, draw own conclusions

I forgot to post this with my link.

I'll probably regret answering this, but when it happened, they spoke about the jet engine fuel causing severe temperatures that were never planned for

Yeah, but that was for the towers. No planes went into building #7.

Exact quote from my newbie S.E. this morning, while shaking her head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=qRKOZdYglUo#!

First Hand, eye witness accounts of explosions
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=Fshcmgw87bw#!

that's something i've always looked at and said not for me. they build those huge skyscrapers-but all that weight is carried by the very bottom supports. if they fail-there goes the neighborhood.
engineering takes so many things into consideration-but the magnitude of the catastrophe that day isn't something anyone could foresee. a huge fire, and no sprinklers, and god knows how much movement and strain due to the other buildings collapsing.
and sometimes there are mistakes made. there was that walkway years ago that collapsed. bridges have been done incorrectly-that bridge that collapsed in st paul-they'd overloaded part of the span with building materials. as soon as it happened i told my husband that was probably what did it. of course they had denials initially, but in the end, that was exactly what was wrong.

we push our luck trying to feed our egos by building higher and higher. there are limits no matter what we want.

Let's never forget the religion that led to these animals deciding it was a good idea to kill innocent civilians.

Absolutely fu.cking ridiculous.

While we're on ridiculous topics...

O'Reilly said he hasn't lost any liberties since 9/11. That liberal punching bag Holmes agreed, of course. He doesn't want to lose his job. He already got bullied out of his show with Vannity.

The blonde presstitute, who I believe is on the early morning show, agreed and said she hasn't lost hers as well.

Absolutely pathetic.

Carl's Jr. Rove is pontificating with Vannity.

Waiting for Rachel Meadow to come back from break. Hey...she pronounces it like that. It's pretentious as can be.

Like 5 minutes of commercials. One was of the pasty guy that got a tingle up his leg when Obama gave a speech or a photo op...whatever.

Something off about that guy.

Commercial with a bunch of cats.

Now back to Meadow. Kinda Freudian there.

WTF

More commercials. 6 minutes. 6 minutes. 6 minutes. Butchy shill you on.

I now want a Beardo.

K.D. Lang had Kurt Eichenwald on to plug his new book that throws dubya under the bus.

Meadow threw some soft balls and didn't address this...

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...ournalism.html

Because credibility doesn't matter when you have a dis-info agenda. 95% truth

Greta Ban Substance is coming up next.

I'll report on how many blinks John McCain has during his interview.

I refer the over/under to the first reply.

Edit: AP reports one American dead in Libya.

Over a documentary that Florida Koran burning preacher who looks like Yosemite Sam produced.

If bin Laden's goal was to have an effect on American society that went well beyond the direct damage caused on 9/11, he accomplished that goal. Two wars that have each lasted more than a decade. The Patriot Act. TSA. The Department of Homeland Security.

Every backwater town and police department gets Homeland Security money to buy all this fancy equipment to make you feel safer. The reality is that it is a job engine for the well-connected, and it gives some cops the ability to play out their fantasy of being soldiers.

If we had the American mindset of say, 1911, in 2011, the response would have been much different. There would have been retaliation, of course, and the security lapses would have been examined and corrected. But that would have been the extent of it. The best rebuke to the terrorists would have been for American life to go on as close as possible to how it did prior to the attacks.

Excellent post.

This country will never be the same. The people who should have protected us dropped the ball, preyed on our fear and unawareness of global affairs as a whole, and then took our liberties away like we are children.

And we accepted it. And now those of us who raise awareness are looked down upon. The same people who put American flag stickers on their cars after 9/11.

REVENGE!! BLOOD FOR BLOOD!

It's worked great for us.

:tro::tro:

that douche eliot spitzer wrote on slate that 'we've won'. when?