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Conrad 05-28-2012 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 864240)
Saginaw has won five races in a row. His last two races were stakes victories at Belmont Park. His last race was a particularly impressive performance. He is trained by a high % trainer. The 8f distance of the Met is probably the gelding's best distance.

I mention all of this about Saginaw because he is likely to be no better than the FIFTH choice in the wagering of the Met Mile. That's because the top four horses are so talented and accomplished. I think that's a fairly clear sign that its a pretty damn good race. Not to mention the fact that the horse likely to be the longest shot in the field is a Pletcher/Castellano coming off a 3-length win in a G2.

This sport has quite a few "problems." The field for this year's Met Mile certainly isn't one of them.
Saginaw looks a bit like Rodman, who ran 2nd at a very nice price in the 2011 Met Mile.
In all time form, trying the big boys for the first time, seemingly overmatched.
We'll see

RockHardTen1985 05-28-2012 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 864201)
Better Lucky in the Sands Point. Don't feel great about it though.
Its Tricky, Cash for Clunkers in the Phipps.
Zo Impressive and Contested in the Acorn.
THAS and a little Shack in the Met.
Likely going to play a 2/2/2 with the horses mentioned above. Play that for 10$. Cool 80$. Then press Zo Impressive a bit more, I have not liked a horse as much as I like her tomorrow in a while.
At this point I wish I covered a few of the 4 super logical horses I have left off the upcoming 2 Grade 1's. Pretty solid start either way though.

King Glorious 05-28-2012 04:55 PM
You have to love a horse like Shackleford. All heart. Game win in holding off Caleb's Posse by a short nose. Caleb's Posse is the leader for hard luck horse of the year so far but a good effort still. Jackson Bend disappointed me. I thought To Honor and Serve had no excuse and just couldn't run with the top two. Nice race.

Calzone Lord 05-28-2012 04:58 PM
It was basically a reverse of the Breeders Cup Dirt Mile from last year.

Caleb's Posse got a big setup in the BC Dirt Mile and won big with Shackleford 2nd.

This time, Shackleford got away with a softer pace and not a lot of pressure in a smaller field over a truer more inside friendly racing surface -- and it was just enough to reverse the outcome from the Dirt Mile.

Coup Verville 05-28-2012 05:35 PM
Andy Serling had it right with THAS, he looks great when everything goes his way. But, today he had a little trouble, and couldn't seal the deal.

miraja2 05-28-2012 05:36 PM
Who was the last horse to win both a triple crown race and the Met Mile?

It sure doesn't happen very often.

Sightseek 05-28-2012 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 864459)
Who was the last horse to win both a triple crown race and the Met Mile?

It sure doesn't happen very often.
Interesting question so I looked it up -- I think it is Conquistador Cielo.

Calzone Lord 05-28-2012 05:53 PM
I don't think a Kentucky Derby winner has won the Met Mile since Carry Back in 1962 -- more than a half century ago.

Calzone Lord 05-28-2012 05:54 PM
Good weekend as a sire for Ghostzapper.

He sired a Grade 1 and a Grade 2 winner today at Belmont -- and a nice Grade 3 winner at Woodbine on Saturday. At least 3 different Graded Stakes wins by his offspring this weekend.

King Glorious 05-28-2012 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 864460)
Interesting question so I looked it up -- I think it is Conquistador Cielo.
That is correct and he won both the Belmont and Met Mile in the same year.

Port Conway Lane 05-28-2012 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 864460)
Interesting question so I looked it up -- I think it is Conquistador Cielo.
As far as I can tell Carry Back was the only derby winner to do it.
Who was the last Met Mile winner to run in the money in a TC race ?

King Glorious 05-28-2012 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane (Post 864468)
As far as I can tell Carry Back was the only derby winner to do it.
Who was the last Met Mile winner to run in the money in a TC race ?
I'm thinking Gulch?

RolloTomasi 05-28-2012 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Port Conway Lane (Post 864468)
As far as I can tell Carry Back was the only derby winner to do it.
Who was the last Met Mile winner to run in the money in a TC race ?
Gulch, who was 3rd in the Belmont and unplaced in the other 2 Classics. Proper Reality was 4th in the Derby and Wild Rush was unplaced in the Belmont.

On the reverse, Easy Goer is the only recent Classic winner to at least place in the Met Mile. Broad Brush, Pleasant Tap, Cherokee Run, and Musket Man placed in both a Classic and the Met Mile.

tiznowthegreat 05-28-2012 06:15 PM
Because I love to play the what if game and want to sulk about my toughest beat of 2012, what does anybody think the p6 would have paid with Caleb's Posse getting up?

Calzone Lord 05-28-2012 06:17 PM
Easy Goer actually ran a 0 in the Met Mile on Ragozin Sheets -- a wide trip combined with giving a lot of weight away to the top 2 finishers was the reason his race was so fast.

I'd have to think it might be the fastest Ragozin ever for a 3rd place finisher of a race.

Alydar ran a faster Ragozin than Affirmed in all 3 triple crown races.

RolloTomasi 05-28-2012 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord (Post 864473)
Easy Goer actually ran a 0 in the Met Mile on Ragozin Sheets -- a wide trip combined with giving a lot of weight away to the top 2 finishers was the reason his race was so fast.
Oddly enough, several Belmont Stakes winners in the '50s and '60s also won the Met Mile. Gallant Man, Sword Dancer, Arts And Letters, and Native Dancer to name a few.

philcski 05-29-2012 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat (Post 864472)
Because I love to play the what if game and want to sulk about my toughest beat of 2012, what does anybody think the p6 would have paid with Caleb's Posse getting up?
Probably close to the same. Maybe 10-20% less if anything. Still a nice chunk

RockHardTen1985 05-29-2012 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by philcski (Post 864564)
Probably close to the same. Maybe 10-20% less if anything. Still a nice chunk
What would my pick 3's and 4's have been with Cash for Clunkers and Zo Impressive?

outofthebox 05-29-2012 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 864565)
What would my pick 3's and 4's have been with Cash for Clunkers and Zo Impressive?
Cash looked like a winner till deep stretch, so i can give you your imagination there. But Zo was never a threat and wasnt close, Nice pick in the first leg!

Revidere 05-29-2012 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 864470)
Gulch, who was 3rd in the Belmont and unplaced in the other 2 Classics. Proper Reality was 4th in the Derby and Wild Rush was unplaced in the Belmont.

On the reverse, Easy Goer is the only recent Classic winner to at least place in the Met Mile. Broad Brush, Pleasant Tap, Cherokee Run, and Musket Man placed in both a Classic and the Met Mile.
I wonder how many horses ran in all three legs of the Triple Crown and won the Met Mile in the same year.


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