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jms62 05-06-2012 10:09 AM

Note to self. Auto-Toss winners of New York Derby preps until I get beat.

NTamm1215 05-06-2012 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 858847)
the race I saw the simple fact was Trinniberg couldn't keep up with Bodemeister, he did it on his own...the pace. I don't care what anyone said afterwards, it was no factor in the race. No Trinniberg, same pace for Bodemeister as Hansen and Take Charge Indy run closer to Bodemeister to keep him from getting away and exact same fractions occur. Exact.

It's the simple narrative that is easy to go to in this race and I feel it doesn't fit what happened.

This notion that because Mike Smith says he was within himself means that Trinniberg not being there wouldn't have mattered is NONSENSE.

If Trinniberg is not in the race, Bodemeister does not have to go 45 and 1/5 to get a clear lead, and he doesn't have to shade 1:10 to stay in front. Take Trinniberg out and he would have had a comfortable lead over Hansen going a bit slower at each point of call.

When speed horses get clear leads, that does not mean that they suddenly lose any excuse for losing. Using that ridiculously flawed logic, you will hold losing against a speed horse with complete disregard for the pace they set.

Travis Stone 05-06-2012 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 858854)
Note to self. Auto-Toss winners of New York Derby preps until I get beat.

There were a lot of total non-efforts from a lot of horses yesterday. Very few legitimate horses from the spring even put in a hint of a run.

Indian Charlie 05-06-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 858854)
Note to self. Auto-Toss winners of New York Derby preps until I get beat.

I don't know man, Eskenderaya and I Want Revenge would have been pretty live.

I think the winner of the Wood last year got hurt as well.

Keep in mind that Gemologist had his hands full with the likes of Alpha, which didn't really bode well for his chances yesterday.

jms62 05-06-2012 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 858865)
I don't know man, Eskenderaya and I Want Revenge would have been pretty live.

I think the winner of the Wood last year got hurt as well.

Keep in mind that Gemologist had his hands full with the likes of Alpha, which didn't really bode well for his chances yesterday.

It is simply a way for me to ride the trend and eliminate a few lower odds horses. When I get beat I will start including them. Some may think it is absurd but thats fine.

MaTH716 05-06-2012 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 858854)
Note to self. Auto-Toss winners of New York Derby preps until I get beat.

Yeah, but truthfully haven't people been saying that about the California contingents the last few years?

jms62 05-06-2012 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 858871)
Yeah, but truthfully haven't people been saying that about the California contingents the last few years?

For me that changed when they went back to dirt...

10 pnt move up 05-06-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 858872)
For me that changed when they went back to dirt...

No it didn't, you claimed but 2 months ago that the California races/horses were "completely irrelevant" to the triple crown?

Now your saying since they switched to dirt you think they are relevant, which happened long before the San Vincente.

Indian Charlie 05-06-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 858867)
It is simply a way for me to ride the trend and eliminate a few lower odds horses. When I get beat I will start including them. Some may think it is absurd but thats fine.

That's fine, but the three previous winners were all injured.

Gemologist, while possible, seemed up against it. Tale of Ekati and Slobiz were hopeless.

aaronrodgers 05-06-2012 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 858827)
I agree on LePeaux, I think he's the worst big name jock going, but he rode Union Rags, not WTDW.

I was should've been more clear. I was talking about to different horses. My Bad.

jms62 05-06-2012 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up (Post 858874)
No it didn't, you claimed but 2 months ago that the California races/horses were "completely irrelevant" to the triple crown?

Now your saying since they switched to dirt you think they are relevant, which happened long before the San Vincente.

Dude.... Really????? This game is fluid if you know what I mean. Anyone that forms an opinion 2 months back and sticks to that opinion when subsequent events dictate otherwise is pretty much an idiot.... That was my opinion for that period of time. I am a lot of things but an idiot is not one of them. Do you form an opinion and stick to it regardless of what subsequent races show you?

Indian Charlie 05-06-2012 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62 (Post 858891)
Dude.... Really????? This game is fluid if you know what I mean. Anyone that forms an opinion 2 months back and sticks to that opinion when subsequent events dictate otherwise is pretty much an idiot.... That was my opinion for that period of time. I am a lot of things but an idiot is not one of them. Do you form an opinion and stick to it regardless of what subsequent races show you?

You shouldn't underestimate yourself!

Totally J/K.

jms62 05-06-2012 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 858892)
You shouldn't underestimate yourself!

Totally J/K.

On second thought based upon my play friday and saturday I want to retract my statement.

golfer 05-06-2012 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 858884)
That's fine, but the three previous winners were all injured.

Gemologist, while possible, seemed up against it. Tale of Ekati and Slobiz were hopeless.

Slobiz was hopeless??? You tell me this now?:)

Rupert Pupkin 05-06-2012 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 858823)
Doug if Bode and the winner go on to Pimlico, Bode is chalk, right?

Bodemeister will probably be 6-5 in the Preakness if he runs. I think the chances of him running are probably about 50/50. He ran awfully hard. I think it would make more sense to give him a break and point for races like the Haskell and BC Classic.

Indian Charlie 05-06-2012 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by golfer (Post 858906)
Slobiz was hopeless??? You tell me this now?:)

I thought I was pretty vocal about that!

NTamm1215 05-06-2012 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin (Post 858907)
Bodemeister will probably be 6-5 in the Preakness if he runs. I think the chances of him running are probably about 50/50. He ran awfully hard. I think it would make more sense to give him a break and point for races like the Haskell and BC Classic.

6/5? Absolutely no chance.

golfer 05-06-2012 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 858908)
I thought I was pretty vocal about that!

Maybe, but I must have had you on ignore back then:o

Rupert Pupkin 05-06-2012 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 858909)
6/5? Absolutely no chance.

That might be a little low. I guess it depends on whether horses like Union Rags and some of the others show up. But no matter who shows up, I don't think he goes off higher than 2-1.

Indian Charlie 05-06-2012 12:55 PM

I have no feel whatsoever for what the odds would be on Bodemeister in the Preakness.

I could see him 3/5 or 5/2.

I'd much rather see him go to the Belmont.


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