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Merlinsky 03-27-2012 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms (Post 848506)
On paper, I like the AP Indy line over Street Cry (and AP Indy - Balance colt sold for big bucks), but I wonder if they match physically. I recall speaking to someone at Gainesway a few years ago, when we considered sending a mare to Tapit (when he was standing for $10K), and the one thing that I recall from the conversation is that he would be best with an average-sized, more refined mare. I don't think Zenyatta fits that description.

I seem to recall a study that said breeders matching mares and stallions of similar size, whatever that is, tended to find success over people that had average sized mares going to large stallions with the idea that the taller the suitor, the better (I think the idea was to get a bigger yearling for sale, but not sure). Does anybody remember that?

Riot 03-27-2012 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 848800)
I seem to recall a study that said breeders matching mares and stallions of similar size, whatever that is, tended to find success over people that had average sized mares going to large stallions with the idea that the taller the suitor, the better (I think the idea was to get a bigger yearling for sale, but not sure). Does anybody remember that?

Breeding really big to really small doesn't give you "average" - it will give you big or small, or more frequently a weird awkward physical combination of both.

Physical matches in phenotype tend to carry genetics that reinforce and give you predictable offspring that look like their parents, rather than come out weirdly as surprise recessives in the offspring.

Mares tend to control the physical size of foal at birth, but a stallion that throws big birthweight babies can contribute to dystocia, and as mares birth so very quickly, any trouble in the birthing process can spell death and disaster (it's hard to get a mare and foal through a c-section alive, unless they are in the hospital when the problem happens)

Growthy, big babies - be it genetic or due to excessive feeding - tend to sell well at sales as they are physically impressive, but fast-growers also tend to have more growth-associated issues radiographically at sale (OCD's, crooked, etc.)

So attempts at getting physically big babies for sales success can be fraught with complication.

Pick good genetics, and just help them reach their genetic potential.

In the choice of Zenyatta and Tapit, I'd not worry about a big mare with a smaller stallion, as I would the other way around. More refinement, keeping the size down in the foal, predicability in what he throws looks-wise (he's good), trying to prevent big and clumsy offspring would be a good thing, regarding those physicals, I'd guess (rather than breeding her to a big, rangy stallion)

richard burch 03-27-2012 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 847843)
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-tapit-in-2012

Same cross as Zazu and Headache. C True Nicks rating.

Zenyatta to get "tapped" by Tapit

nice one.

Arletta 05-08-2012 01:08 PM

Done tapping. :)

http://www.drf.com/news/zenyatta-foa...r-tapit-mating

my miss storm cat 03-27-2013 09:58 PM

The rumor is it's a girl...

MaTH716 03-28-2013 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 921025)
The rumor is it's a girl...

Pink smoke from the barn?

my miss storm cat 03-28-2013 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 921047)
Pink smoke from the barn?

No, a big shiny star in the sky. :p

(I have not yet checked... was the rumor true? I believe the part about her going into labor last night but as I am not yet awake do not know if she did indeed have a girl.)

edit - Not yet.

trackrat59 03-28-2013 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 921047)
Pink smoke from the barn?

:)

Merlinsky 03-28-2013 02:16 PM

No foal yet. http://www.zenyatta.com/news/zenyatta-update I knew the Mosses had just gotten in to be there for her foaling and thought it a little odd that they'd cut it that close. I bet someone just assumed her owners are in town, she must be in labor. I got the impression they didn't fetal sex their mares, so they wouldn't know it was a filly or not to have even leaked that much to someone.

Alabama Stakes 03-28-2013 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell (Post 847918)
Blame got snubbed again?:D


he got lucky with her once......never again.

Alabama Stakes 03-29-2013 04:19 PM

crickets......

Merlinsky 03-29-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes (Post 921210)
crickets......

Careful, you'll start a rumor that Zenyatta gave birth to twin crickets, a boy and a girl.

Merlinsky 04-01-2013 11:54 PM

It is done! Ray Paulick just tweeted that Zenyatta foaled a Tapit colt.

my miss storm cat 04-01-2013 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky (Post 921799)
It is done! Ray Paulick just tweeted that Zenyatta foaled a Tapit colt.

Awww, and on her birthday. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS3vpAWW2Zc :D

Arletta 04-02-2013 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat (Post 921800)
Awww, and on her birthday. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS3vpAWW2Zc

:rolleyes:




:D
:tro:

freddymo 04-02-2013 07:01 AM

Breed her on her foal heat to Midnight Lute. Resulting foal will be as large as a Clydesdale. Then you could name the foal Blame The Burglar.

Dahoss 04-02-2013 09:11 AM

I just did a backflip I am so excited. What a day!

I can't wait to talk to the foal on facebook.

Danzig 04-02-2013 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 921813)
I just did a backflip I am so excited. What a day!

I can't wait to talk to the foal on facebook.

:D

my miss storm cat 04-02-2013 09:43 AM


LARHAGE 04-02-2013 10:02 AM

Such a sweet photo, love the softness in Zenyattas eye, I think this colt will grey out like Tapit.


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