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slotdirt 09-14-2006 04:45 PM
I just don't understand why you guys would question the predictive capabilities of a guy named Nostradamus.

oracle80 09-14-2006 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
Its obvious it wasnt Tagg's choice to run this horse. There is just noway hes had anything to do with the placement of Funny Cide the last couple of races. I can see taking a shot once if the horse was going super. However, after getting your head jerked off, working the horse, why in gods name would you bring him back in this spot. Owners picked this one fellas.

BTW, cornhole is a jockey, hes not a trainer. Lots of jockeys tell trainers what to do with horses, unfortunately most jockeys can barely read.
How dare you question the all knowing Nostradamus and his unfailing knowledge of the inner workings of the Tagg barn!!! LOL!

The Bid 09-14-2006 04:48 PM
Haha, I probably shouldnt have, but theres just noway hes picking these spots. He doesnt get paid to run up tracks.

Bold Brooklynite 09-14-2006 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Nostradamus
The cutback to 9f will be good for him. NOTICE MY MAN CORNELIO IS ON HIM. :)
He'd be better off without any jockey on him ...

... he knows his way around the track ... and the 120lb weight advantage might give him a shot.

dalakhani 09-14-2006 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
Haha, I probably shouldnt have, but theres just noway hes picking these spots. He doesnt get paid to run up tracks.
True, but will he run up the track here? This field is hardly awe inspiring. Good reward aint exactly a win machine and the rest have questions.

If they are going to try a grade 2 field, wouldnt this be the one to try? This field isnt much better than the mcarthur. I think Wanderin boy wires them but i think FC has enough to get a piece. Dont you?

Bold Brooklynite 09-14-2006 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
BTW, cornhole is a jockey, hes not a trainer. Lots of jockeys tell trainers what to do with horses, unfortunately most jockeys can barely read.
But most horses can't read either.

The Bid 09-14-2006 05:06 PM
dalakhani,

I dont think the race is tough at all. Im commenting more on the prep into the race, and his placement in the last. Oh, and Cornhole calling the shots, Cornhole isnt calling any shots, hes just on for the ride.

Nostradamus 09-14-2006 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
Its obvious it wasnt Tagg's choice to run this horse. There is just noway hes had anything to do with the placement of Funny Cide the last couple of races. I can see taking a shot once if the horse was going super. However, after getting your head jerked off, working the horse, why in gods name would you bring him back in this spot. Owners picked this one fellas.

BTW, cornhole is a jockey, hes not a trainer. Lots of jockeys tell trainers what to do with horses, unfortunately most jockeys can barely read.
It is obvious it wasn't Tagg's choice? Really? Where else was he going to run him? Cornelio worked him the other morning and it was slow, but he said he left something in the tank for saturday.

The owners did not pick this one. They wanted to go to Hawthorne. Even their website says that.

The Bid 09-14-2006 05:10 PM
Let me get this straight......

You think Tagg got his head jerked off in a grade one, breezed him after the race, and is running him in this spot because thats whats best for the horse? Okay

dalakhani 09-14-2006 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
dalakhani,

I dont think the race is tough at all. Im commenting more on the prep into the race, and his placement in the last. Oh, and Cornhole calling the shots, Cornhole isnt calling any shots, hes just on for the ride.
I agree- there doesnt appear to be any kind of "plan" here. I am definitely not a Funny Fan but I do respect what he has accomplished. They had to figure in advance that this race wouldnt come up very deep considering the placement (being sandwiched within weeks between the woodward and jcgc) and it would have been nice to see FC prepped properly for this one. Oh well, we will see.

He only has to beat two horses for a slice.

The Bid 09-14-2006 05:18 PM
I guess thats how they rationalize running him in this spot, thinking he only has to beat a few to get a slice.

There was no planning to put him in this spot, no trainer plans ahead like that. Its really a bush league move, thats why I say it has to be the owners making the decision. You are correct, he would have been better suited to prep up to this race and get all the money.

I hope he runs well, that being said I will be surprised if he shows up at all.

Nostradamus 09-14-2006 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dalakhani
I agree- there doesnt appear to be any kind of "plan" here. I am definitely not a Funny Fan but I do respect what he has accomplished. They had to figure in advance that this race wouldnt come up very deep considering the placement (being sandwiched within weeks between the woodward and jcgc) and it would have been nice to see FC prepped properly for this one. Oh well, we will see.

He only has to beat two horses for a slice.
No plan? The plan is Brooklyn then the Empire Classic. Makes a ton of sense. Barclay has also switched to his number 1 rider. The owners wanted to run at Saratoga and the Woodward was the only spot. They had their shot, now the trainer makes the calls.

Nostradamus 09-14-2006 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bid
I guess thats how they rationalize running him in this spot, thinking he only has to beat a few to get a slice.

There was no planning to put him in this spot, no trainer plans ahead like that. Its really a bush league move, thats why I say it has to be the owners making the decision. You are correct, he would have been better suited to prep up to this race and get all the money.

I hope he runs well, that being said I will be surprised if he shows up at all.
How do you know there was no planning? The Empire Classic is the goal and this race sets him up perfectly for it. Didn't a horse from the Woodward win the stake yesterday at Belmont?

The Bid 09-14-2006 05:24 PM
Where does that grade 1 race he got smoked in fit into their plans? Breaking his heart, exhausting him before his main goal, a 100,000 race? The owners have taken over the wheel, and undoubtedly they are drunk in the drivers seat

dalakhani 09-14-2006 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Nostradamus
No plan? The plan is Brooklyn then the Empire Classic. Makes a ton of sense. Barclay has also switched to his number 1 rider. The owners wanted to run at Saratoga and the Woodward was the only spot. They had their shot, now the trainer makes the calls.
You are going to make a "plan" for a horse that would go: grade 1, grade 2, then statebred?

Or even grade 2 brooklyn and then statebred? Who preps horses like that? Maybe Tagg is using Wayne Lukas as his advisor these days.

blackthroatedwind 09-14-2006 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Nostradamus
No plan? The plan is Brooklyn then the Empire Classic. Makes a ton of sense. Barclay has also switched to his number 1 rider. The owners wanted to run at Saratoga and the Woodward was the only spot. They had their shot, now the trainer makes the calls.
Actually you are wrong again. He could have run in the overnight stake that Naughty New Yorker won.

The Bid 09-14-2006 05:27 PM
And even that would have been too quick of a turn around after getting smashed. He would have gotten crushed in there

Nostradamus 09-14-2006 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Actually you are wrong again. He could have run in the overnight stake that Naughty New Yorker won.
That race was originally scheduled for last week. This is a perfect race for him. He runs 1-2 or 3 and he had a good race. He doesn't win an overnight and it is a failure. The extra few days rest help too.

Nostradamus 09-14-2006 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'm a man of my word, so I will concede the fact that I was wrong in saying he won't run. But you are still an idiot. I hadn't read that barclay said they wanted to, and in my heart I don't think he wants to run here. I could be wrong, but I don't think he does. I also don't think he has a shot to hit the board in here. Not that there are any world beaters in here, but he just isn't this good anymore. Is We Can Seek the horse who finished up pretty good in the Whitney, with some traffic trouble?
I am an idiot and you were the one that was wrong. Good logic. He will hit the board here, maybe even win.


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