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Danzig 11-21-2011 01:04 PM
i agree actually. i don't get why employers have the 'right' to test anyone. it's not exactly constitutional.

Indian Charlie 11-21-2011 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 819207)
Too much regulation. So what if he didn't make a phone call? S.hit happens. Let me ask this...are these people in power employing this guy and paying his taxes? If not, unless he kills another horse or jockey why should anyone care if he's on drugs?

I'll tell you why...because there's too many people on earth. The only jobs that can keep the masses employed are jobs where you're controlling, taxing, ruining the lives of others. We don't make anything these days...instead we create jobs that do nothing but keep a moron fed and the people they deal with absolutely miserable and domesticated.

Mind your own god-damned business. You can ride horses and be coked up. Not everyone responds the same to drugs. F.uck Nancy Reagan. If owners, trainers or whoever wants to hire this guy then it's their choice.
amen.

Cannon Shell 11-21-2011 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 819208)
i agree actually. i don't get why employers have the 'right' to test anyone. it's not exactly constitutional.
His employers arent testing him, the state which grants his professional license is. In his case he has a conditional license so he is held to a different standard.

I have a hard time believing that you are going to get much support for letting someone who is impared ride a horse going 40 mph. This is different than testing a stockboy at Wal-Mart for weed.

Danzig 11-22-2011 05:32 AM
what he does in his leisure time is no one's business. i guess that's my biggest beef right there. you'd have to think it would be common sense not to get on a horse while one is impaired; but perhaps like they say, common sense isn't so common.
i've read where jockeys were riding who couldn't even stand because of dehydration. but they could pilot a half ton of horse?

Revidere 11-22-2011 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 819207)
Too much regulation. So what if he didn't make a phone call? S.hit happens. Let me ask this...are these people in power employing this guy and paying his taxes? If not, unless he kills another horse or jockey why should anyone care if he's on drugs?

I'll tell you why...because there's too many people on earth. The only jobs that can keep the masses employed are jobs where you're controlling, taxing, ruining the lives of others. We don't make anything these days...instead we create jobs that do nothing but keep a moron fed and the people they deal with absolutely miserable and domesticated.

Mind your own god-damned business. You can ride horses and be coked up. Not everyone responds the same to drugs. F.uck Nancy Reagan. If owners, trainers or whoever wants to hire this guy then it's their choice.
It's obvious that people can post while impaired....

iamthelurker 11-22-2011 11:50 PM
chilli dippin trippin... bro bro

dino 11-23-2011 05:06 AM
I know it goes against what young people believe these days but there are rules in life. If you want to be a jockey you need to take drug tests. If you don't want to take drug test then do something else. Seems simple to me.

Coach Pants 11-23-2011 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Revidere (Post 819402)
It's obvious that people can post while impaired....
I wasn't impaired. I was actually posting from church. Your mother was wearing an adorable hat.

Danzig 11-23-2011 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 819590)
The United States Constitution is a document proscribing and limiting Federal government power.
so, you're suggesting our bill of rights doesn't apply if a state or local, or private entity tries to trample on our rights? free speech? freedom from illegal search and seizure, etc, etc? i don't think that's quite correct.

Dahoss 11-23-2011 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dino (Post 819579)
I know it goes against what young people believe these days but there are rules in life.
P Val is like 50 now right? This isn't a young person vs not so young person debate. Seems like at 50 P Val hasn't figured out there are rules in life.

I understand Coach's point about too much regulation and I agree with him that some people react to drugs differently. I don't think all jockeys should be tested, however considering the dozens of chances the guy has had, I think testing him is necessary and the fact he couldn't be bothered to pick up the phone when he KNOWS he should have means he probably doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Most people can't just fall off the face of the earth one day and not follow through with occupational obligations. They would be fired, and rightfully so.

Slewbopper 11-23-2011 10:38 AM
Disappears on the 17th
Says he will be back on the 26th. Needs some time off with fiance
Gets high from the 16th to the 23rd.
Has a big turkey dinner tomorrow and takes a drug flush.
Shaves himself head to toe Saturday morning and arrives at the track for his test if he doesn't get delayed in holiday traffic

Danzig 11-23-2011 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Cardus (Post 819603)
I didn't say state, county, or towns could "trample".
i'm not sure exactly what you're saying at this point....

Danzig 11-23-2011 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 819606)
P Val is like 50 now right? This isn't a young person vs not so young person debate. Seems like at 50 P Val hasn't figured out there are rules in life.

I understand Coach's point about too much regulation and I agree with him that some people react to drugs differently. I don't think all jockeys should be tested, however considering the dozens of chances the guy has had, I think testing him is necessary and the fact he couldn't be bothered to pick up the phone when he KNOWS he should have means he probably doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Most people can't just fall off the face of the earth one day and not follow through with occupational obligations. They would be fired, and rightfully so.

really, this soap opera shouldn't have continued this long. it's what causes the drama to continue, they keep giving more chances-just like dutrow, biancone...

GenuineRisk 11-23-2011 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 819602)
so, you're suggesting our bill of rights doesn't apply if a state or local, or private entity tries to trample on our rights? free speech? freedom from illegal search and seizure, etc, etc? i don't think that's quite correct.
If you work for a private employer and you are not a member of a union or under a contract, you are considered an "at-will" employee and can be fired for any reason the employer chooses that is not specifically prohibited by law. Refusal to submit to drug testing does not fall under things prohibited by law.

And if you don't like it? Find another job.

As someone else mentioned, the Bill of Rights does not apply to private sector employment.

Coach Pants 11-23-2011 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk (Post 819656)
If you work for a private employer and you are not a member of a union or under a contract, you are considered an "at-will" employee and can be fired for any reason the employer chooses that is not specifically prohibited by law. Refusal to submit to drug testing does not fall under things prohibited by law.

And if you don't like it? Find another job.

As someone else mentioned, the Bill of Rights does not apply to private sector employment.
It's not necessarily "private sector" when the state is involved. But taaaanks for trying.

Revidere 11-23-2011 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 819595)
I wasn't impaired. I was actually posting from church. Your mother was wearing an adorable hat.
The she made for one lively corpse. :eek:

At least she has an excuse. She's been declared dead. Others here are just under suspicion.

cmorioles 11-23-2011 05:27 PM
I'd love to see what would have happened if I was told to take a drug test in my Air Force days and told my Commander I'd be in next week after I spend some time with the fiance. This guy is nothing but a loser drug addict that needs to disappear from horse racing. I'm pretty sure the sport will go on just fine without him.

RockHardTen1985 11-23-2011 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 819710)
I'd love to see what would have happened if I was told to take a drug test in my Air Force days and told my Commander I'd be in next week after I spend some time with the fiance. This guy is nothing but a loser drug addict that needs to disappear from horse racing. I'm pretty sure the sport will go on just fine without him.
The sports not really fine with him. I guess it will go on the same without him.


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