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boswd 09-13-2006 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Bernardini is a hardened veteran compared to Discrete Cat. He ran in some real races....he dealt with the pace in the Preakness, rated kindly even when Brother Derek flew up on his flank on the backstretch, and laughed off the shenanigans the Bluegrass Cat/High Cotton tandem had planned for him going into the first turn of the Travers. Not saying these were gargantuan tasks but they at least showed something about Bernardini. Discrete Cat? What the hell has he done? He won a race in Dubai so suspect that Testimony, a virtual 20 claimer BUT owned by Darley, was able to somehow finish second. He won an allowance race with a perfect and trouble-free trip at Saratoga versus nothing and nobody. What he is is fast...very fast. What he also is is sore....very sore. What he also is is a horse who has faced absolutely no tests in his entire career. Maybe he's so great that no horse in the world can ever get close to him.


I'll be betting he isn't.
what kills me is the whole What could have been scenerio. What would we be looking at if Discreet Cat was never sold after his win in Saratoga last year. A KY Derby Winner? A winner of any of the TC races?
A Travers winner? Are his former owners kicking themselves or enjoying their big pay day? We'll never know!!!!!!!!

blackthroatedwind 09-13-2006 01:57 PM
Considering he has always been a very sore going horse I highly doubt there is any scenerio that had him running in a lot of races.

Kasept 09-13-2006 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by boswd
Are his former owners kicking themselves or enjoying their big pay day? We'll never know!!!!!!!!
From what I've heard, Mrs. Robsham and Stan Hough have apparently NO REGRETS AT ALL about selling him.. What they have is several million dollars to remember him by...

philcski 09-13-2006 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Bernardini is a hardened veteran compared to Discrete Cat. He ran in some real races....he dealt with the pace in the Preakness, rated kindly even when Brother Derek flew up on his flank on the backstretch, and laughed off the shenanigans the Bluegrass Cat/High Cotton tandem had planned for him going into the first turn of the Travers. Not saying these were gargantuan tasks but they at least showed something about Bernardini. Discrete Cat? What the hell has he done? He won a race in Dubai so suspect that Testimony, a virtual 20 claimer BUT owned by Darley, was able to somehow finish second. He won an allowance race with a perfect and trouble-free trip at Saratoga versus nothing and nobody. What he is is fast...very fast. What he also is is sore....very sore. What he also is is a horse who has faced absolutely no tests in his entire career. Maybe he's so great that no horse in the world can ever get close to him.

I'll be betting he isn't.
Not to mention distance challenged. Not discrediting Discreet Cat's performance there but I need more, he COULD be any kind.

Is it just me or do a lot of these Forestry colts have soundness (especially general soreness) issues?

Danzig2 09-13-2006 02:11 PM
most who get offers take them, or should, and the odds are with them!! i'd have to think long and hard if i ever had a diamond in the rough that ran well, and produced some legit, and lucrative offers....never know what a horse will or won't do next.

Cajungator26 09-13-2006 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by oracle80
He turned into quite a nice sire. Perhaps that fascination wasn't so far off.
I'm not talking about sires though, Mike... I'm talking about on the racetrack.

Cajungator26 09-13-2006 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by philcski
Not to mention distance challenged. Not discrediting Discreet Cat's performance there but I need more, he COULD be any kind.

Is it just me or do a lot of these Forestry colts have soundness (especially general soreness) issues?
Yes they do and it's because of Storm Cat IMO.

boswd 09-13-2006 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasept
From what I've heard, Mrs. Robsham and Stan Hough have apparently NO REGRETS AT ALL about selling him.. What they have is several million dollars to remember him by...
I'm sure they are, a few millions dollars would ease anyones mind but still in the back of their minds they have to be thinking, even just a little bit "Hmm could we have been in the winner's circle that first saturday in May?"

King Glorious 09-16-2006 01:52 PM
I'd say that there are only four dirt horses in the world that could be any kind of threat to Discreet Cat and two of them are not in training currently. The four? Bernardini, Surf Cat, Lava Man, and (hold the laughter please) Your Tent or Mine.

SniperSB23 09-16-2006 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I'd say that there are only four dirt horses in the world that could be any kind of threat to Discreet Cat and two of them are not in training currently. The four? Bernardini, Surf Cat, Lava Man, and (hold the laughter please) Your Tent or Mine.
:eek:

Yeah, you have to be a pretty good horse to finish between a couple of monsters like Brother Derek and Bob and John.

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-16-2006 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I'd say that there are only four dirt horses in the world that could be any kind of threat to Discreet Cat and two of them are not in training currently. The four? Bernardini, Surf Cat, Lava Man, and (hold the laughter please) Your Tent or Mine.

Guess you forgot the fastest horse of all time in GHOSTZAPPER he tops my #1 hands down:D

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-16-2006 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I think he was referring to horses that aren't retired.
In that case, my bad

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-18-2006 09:17 PM
NEVERMIND FRANKEL GOT SCARED TOOO:D

Discreet Cat appears to be scaring most of the top 3-year-old milers away from the Oct. 1 Jerome Handicap (gr. II). Bobby Frankel, trainer of the improving Latent Heat, said he's considering the about seven-furlong Perryville Stakes (gr. III) for the colt's next start. Frankel also is high on On Board Again, who came again to defeat Superfly by a neck in a mile allowance race run in 1:35 flat on Saturday.

blackthroatedwind 09-18-2006 09:18 PM
Frankel is such a sport.

kentuckyrosesinmay 09-18-2006 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Frankel is such a sport.
I know...tell me about it. I'm sure he's a nice guy, and he did a wonderful job with GZ, but I will never forgive him for not telling the public just how sore Empire Maker was a few days before the Derby. He also did the exact same thing to us with Leroidesanimaux in the BC mile. I wouldn't have bet the horse if he would have told us (yes, I lost money on him).

With that being said, I'd be scared to run my horses against DC too. You'd be running for second. There is no telling just how talented that colt is. Why, he may even be scarier than that monster Bernardini!

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-25-2006 09:15 AM
A little birdie flew by my window and told me he worked today but i am awaiting the results. Monday Sep 25th

DiscreetCat=Monster 09-25-2006 06:47 PM
Got The Bullet
 
On Monday, Discreet Cat completed preparations for Saturday's Jerome by working five furlongs in 59.67 seconds over Belmont Park's main track. It was the fastest of 25 moves at the distance. Under regular rider Garrett Gomez, Discreet Cat went his first three furlongs in 36 seconds, and galloped out six furlongs in 1:12.40


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