I have no idea though I guess he's OK. Honestly, though, I am loathe to repeat anything friends tell me at the racetrack. Never know if it's public or private.

I hope he is still pointing to the Vosburgh. Or, perhaps, he is heading to Keeneland for the Phoenix. I really have no idea however.

Maybe G Watts would be better off making a trainer switch to his daughter.

We'll see...I suspect they'll go to KEE for the Alcibaides too to stretch her out and leave Octave for the Frizette....we'll see..:)

I do like Paint Raid some, but I thought that Cotton Blossom looked oike a route filly in the flesh and is bred to be a route filly, yet she won a graded stakes at the Spa around one turn - and did so with a wide trip....not horrible credentials in a down year to this point in that division....

I think Magical Ride is the best of her generation to this point, but you won't be able to van her around two turns....

It's basically what I had already heard ( about the roots ). No, it didn't sound great. Let's just keep our fingers crossed. I just don't understand how those courses could be screwed up.

Geez, Octave is even worse than Cotton Blossom. I certainly hope we see many better horses than those two plugs.

Andy....if we could just get you to open up a touch and tell us how you really feel about a few horses....:D

You gotta take a stand in this game.

That you do...Im slowly learning that.

They're Saratoga graded stakes winners.....not sure how much better a 2yo's credentials could get....

Octave's maiden win at CD was not horrible...not sure what happened next out but she did rebound.....I don't think she is a world beater, but she's okay...Unbr. Song out of Dr. Carter mare says sprinter/miler - so she probably has maximized her career...

The only reason I like Cotton Blossom is because she should stretch out with her pedigree and actually be better going two turns.....if you are a graded stakes winner at the Spa around one turn and are supposed to be better around two turns - you get a little benefit of the doubt from me....

I'm not a result oriented guy Joel. I don't care what names may be attached to races horses ran. The simple fact is that both races were slow. I gave credit to Cotton Blossom for circling the field, though the second finisher had a tougher trip, but after her mediocre Spinaway effort I decided she has a strong case of the " slows ".

As for Octave, and the Adirondack, did you watch the race and evaluate the race from a pace and trip perspective? The race had about as big a pace/final time fig disparity as a race can have. She saved ground and had a perfect trip in a VERY slow race. She is a BUM. If you want to tell me Cotton Blossom will improve stretching out I will grant you that possibility, though I doubt she will beat anybody in even a relatively quickly run race, but Octave is simply a slow horse.

Yeah,
And Debbie Got Even really set the world on fire today life and death under a drive for a HALF MILE to get by that other sterling performer.
Cotton Blossom would shred Debbie, and it wouldnt even be close.
Debbie confirmed today that she is a terribly slow animal.

Thanks...just looking for others opinions.

But she is a very game slow animal. I have to admire that. BUt her beating Cotton Blossom? On what planet?

yeah, I think less of Octave and want to clarify that I don't love either one of them...I think Cotton Blossom has more upside for stretching out....The problem is that there is only around 8 weeks till the Breeders' Cup and there really isn't a filly that I love because none of them appear to be much to this point....I even am not the biggest fan of Point Ashley buy you have to say that she is the #1 seed right now....I thougt I really liked Jump On In but she looked like a $10K claimer in the lane the other day without much excuse...

I also thought Steve Flint's filly Change Up may be alright (and she will be okay), but she is clearly a balls-to-the-wall, one-turn animal as well....there's just nobody to get excited about in this division that has accomplished anything..

I actually like Zito's filly on her upside and ability to get the distance the best right now, but thats not saying much.....

I never said anything about her beating CB. I just was looking for opinions on today's race from people that may have saw it.

if her work from 9/1 at Toga is right, she has to have some kind of speed.

I don't know anything about the California horses and I realize there isn't much to go on from what we have seen from the maiden breakers. They are all just a bunch of possible potential. The stakes winners we have seen from Pletcher are mediocrities at the absolute best and will never beat any horses of true talent without the benfit of a LOT of help. On the other hand, we haven't seen enough from the East Coast fillies to be sure they are better. However, it won't take much.

The problem with liking either Octave or Cotton Blossom going forward is that we have seen three races from them and they have already taken a step or two back. It's not like that barn is known for resuscitating horses. I think we've seen the best from those two, and it aint much, and at least the newer and fresher faces haven't exposed themselves. Perhaps they won't be much either, but I would rather take a shot with them than the exposed mediocrities.

It's hard for me to keep track of all the maiden breakers of Zito's from Saratoga, but it seems to me that Autobahn Girl, who is still a maiden, might prove to be the best. I liked her second to Imperial Reign who also may be very good.