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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 802220)

At what point do high taxes become "oppressive government" ?

I don't know, Joey. Taxes have never been lower. You'll have to go back in history. What do you think? Is your SSDI an oppressive tax on all the rest of us?

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 802236)

Health care is only for those that can afford it.
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The best healthcare is for only those that can afford it. There are plenty of free clinics and county hospitals that provide care. Plus 9-11 is still available to all.

Baloney. What ignorance of reality you have, and complete lack of empathy for anyone not in your personal situation. We have a healthcare crisis in this country. We have one of the worse healthcare systems in the world regarding access and overall health of our nation. Those "free clinics and county hospitals" are paid for by us. Duh.

"No one should starve" - you're full of unrealistic silly imaginary talking points that don't mesh with reality. The reality is that 25% of our children are living in poverty and not eating. Where are all those food stamps and church food banks you pretend exist?

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 802238)

I don't know, Joey. Taxes have never been lower. You'll have to go back in history. What do you think? Is your SSDI an oppressive tax on all the rest of us?

Where do you get this SSDI thing? Are you that juvenile to start making things up about me here? Did I frustrate you that much?

Get a grip lady. You need some couch time with a shrink.

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 802239)

I know that and am willing to pay for it. It also is far from the best healthcare available.

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 802239)

"No one should starve" - you're full of unrealistic silly imaginary talking points that don't mesh with reality. The reality is that 25% of our children are living in poverty and not eating. Where are all those food stamps and church food banks you pretend exist?

Tell you what. For every child you post that has starved to death due to poverty (not neglect) I'll post a food pantry and homeless shelter and I bet I won't have to leave the city of Chicago. In fact, I likely won't have to leave Michigan Ave and State Street.

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 802242)

Where do you get this SSDI thing? Are you that juvenile to start making things up about me here? Did I frustrate you that much?

Get a grip lady. You need some couch time with a shrink.

I thought it was you who posted here that you receive a Social Security Disability Income check. If that was not you, I apologize. Although I don't see why you'd be angry about that. Is that you, or not?

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 802247)

I thought it was you who posted here that you receive a Social Security Disability Income check. If that was not you, I apologize. Although I don't see why you'd be angry about that.

It was not me. Apology accepted.

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 802243)

I know that and am willing to pay for it. It also is far from the best healthcare available.

You've never been "willing to pay for it". You've always said exactly the opposite.

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Originally Posted by joeydb (Post 802248)

It was not me. Apology accepted.

Sorry. Then fill in whenever I wrongly put that, with, "Whoever the Dee Tee'r is that gets a SSDI check" - because I know somebody here gets one (the talked about it, it's value).

The whole point of my saying that is to point out that these are not only political talking points, these are real people, fellow Americans, even people we know here on DT that are affected.

This is an excellent troll poll. Cheers.

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 802246)

Food pantries are bereft of donations right now. This country is starving and poor and the majority are getting poorer every day. If what you said "worked" in reality, we wouldn't have the problem, would we? Duh!

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 802270)

This is an excellent troll poll. Cheers.

Wasn't meant to be. Some of those espousing positions without any self-recognition are still doing so. So it's a fail in that intended regard.

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 802250)

You've never been "willing to pay for it". You've always said exactly the opposite.

I am against paying for someone's insurance and then waiting behind them for care. I'm against paying for some high risk insurance policy that was largely the fault of the insured.

I'm all for you subsidizing someone else's insurance if that's what you choose.

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 802271)

and if the problem was as dire as you portray it to be we'd have more dead children in the street due to starvation than from bullet holes. Wouldn't we? Duh!

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 802272)

Wasn't meant to be. Some of those espousing positions without any self-recognition are still doing so. So it's a fail in that intended regard.

Cool.

What's your take on the Colorado earthquakes last night? Lots of fracking in that area and the 5.3 quake was about 4 kilometers deep.

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 802286)

Cool.

What's your take on the Colorado earthquakes last night? Lots of fracking in that area and the 5.3 quake was about 4 kilometers deep.

If there is an earthquake and only 25 people live in the area did it really happen?

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 802236)

I think every American should have the same access to health care.
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Everyone should have the same access to healthcare. Like car insurance, insurers should base rates solely on expected risk. In addition people in California and New York should be able to shop for a policy with a company based out of Alabama or Mississippi and vice versa.

25% of American children live in poverty. That is their parents responsibility, not society's.
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Probably in 25% of the time it is the parents and more commonly an absent mother and father. When a kid lives in poverty yet sits in front of a flat screen with cable wearing his Nikes while Mom sports more artwork on her body than is hanging on the wall are simple clues of it being the parents’ fault.

The greatness of America is my freedom from oppressive government.
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But that is changing for the worse every year. Now I get to pay for insurance policies for people who have spent a lifetime smoking and not really giving a crap about their health.

Health care is only for those that can afford it.
Agree
The best healthcare is for only those that can afford it. There are plenty of free clinics and county hospitals that provide care. Plus 9-11 is still available to all.

People should always pay their own way. If they can't afford something, including food, tough.
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We have a giant food stamp program to go with neighborhood pantries, soup kitchens and churches. No one should starve especially a child, disabled or elderly person (and especially person who has made SS payments all their life that were wasted by the Fed)

Elderly Americans can't get health care, nobody will insure them. We should do something about that.
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We did it’s called Medicare. We should though make sure the elderly who paid into SS all their lives be treated with priority as opposed to the elderly who spent their lives collecting from, in part, the formers SS payments.

I don't mind paying a little, so every American knows they will not be in poverty in their old age.
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Provided the money I pay via a deduction every paycheck goes to people in their old age and not to say some crazy solar panel company that is doomed from the start.

25% of American children live in poverty. We should all contribute a little, to help them.
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We should ALL contribute a little so the 50% who pay taxes don’t have to pick up the whole tab. Even if ‘contributing’ is making sure the children get their homework done and keeping in contact with their teachers.

Dell, they won't let me put 8 trophies here. But well done!

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Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 802287)

If there is an earthquake and only 25 people live in the area did it really happen?

Yes.

Not much seismic activity in this area. This is the 3rd largest quake recorded in Colorado since 1880.

Plenty of extinct volcanoes surround the area. Some people say La Garita Caldera caused the cat gap 25 million years ago.

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Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 802284)

and if the problem was as dire as you portray it to be we'd have more dead children in the street due to starvation than from bullet holes. Wouldn't we? Duh!

Geeshus cripes. You really haven't got a clue. You live in a completely insulated imaginary world. You've got yours, you want everything you can get from this country, but you don't want to participate or contribute. You begrudge the majority of Americans that care about fellow citizens their actions. You're the ultimate selfish, unpatriotic, spoiled American hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by Riot (Post 802312)

All I want from my country is the continued ability to peruse happiness and to be safe while doing so. I don't want/need a babysitter or a parent. I don't want to be told what light bulbs I have to use and don't want to be asked to pay for someone's health insurance that has spent a lifetime becoming unhealthy.

And you are the ultimate moocher who spends far too much time being envious and in a state of resentment/guilt for anything that remotely represents American success. It's not only un-American it's very ugly. Stop the loathing you have for America's success. We are not an never should be a socialist country. You want to provide more healthcare? Send a check to the Ronald McDonald house or St. Judes. They'll be able to do things with that money the government can't even dream about.

By the way just got a Fed Ex package that was promised by 4pm (sent yesterday). Still waiting on several pieces of mail sent over a week ago? But it wasn't my choice to use the USPO.