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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 768762)

He was doomed the moment he was born. Anything from there is going to wind up in a bad way.

By the way - Rayon D' Or was the leading sire in the United States while standing stud at Presque Isle in the city of Erie in 1889. The old farm, Algeria, is connected to Presque Isle Park - and they now race BMX bikes on the old training track.

Tenny - whos famous match race with Salvator (possibly the greatest horse of the 1800's) - was bred and raised in Erie at Algeria. I believe he also raced for Algeria.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...DE405B8085F0D3

Trainer Glenn Wismer said he might bring Cozar to stand stud in Erie. That might eventually put an end to the cities 121 year drought without a champion sire standing here.

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Rayon d'Or notably sired:

Tea Tray (b.1885) - won Monmouth Handicap (1890)

Gypsy Queen (b. 1886) - won Spinaway Stakes (1888), Gazelle Stakes (1889)

Tenny (b. 1886) - won Brooklyn Handicap (1890)

Chaos (b. 1887) - won the 1889 Futurity Stakes

Banquet (b. 1887) - on July 18, 1890, he set a new North American record record of 2:03.75 for a mile and a quarter on dirt. Won 1891 Monmouth Handicap, 1892 Manhattan Handicap

Liza (b. 1892) - won Swift Stakes (1894), Travers Stakes (1895)

Soufflé (b. 1893) - in 1896 she won the Kentucky Oaks, Latonia Oaks, and Jerome Handicap. Named the retrospective American Champion Three-Year-Old Filly

Don de Oro (b. 1894) - won Tremont Stakes (1896), Kenner Stakes (1897)

Octagon (b. 1894) - won Toboggan Handicap (1897, 1898), Withers Stakes (1897), Brooklyn Derby (1897). Sire of U.S. Racing Hall of Fame filly, Beldame.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayon_d'Or

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 768644)

It probably didn't help matters any time-wise.

Without seeing the race - and just looking at the chart - it was obvious that the 2nd place finisher Head Play was tons better than the winner.

Head Play was the leader after 6fs - the horses racing 2nd-3rd-4th after six furlongs finished 'Pulled Up'-12th by about 30 lengths- and 11th by about 18 lengths in a field of 13. Brokers Tip closed from 11th.

OK -- this race is now up on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxBrM...eature=related

Can someone please tell me how the inside horse (Broker's Tip) won that photo?

It looked like the outside horse won by at least a head.

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It was old-fashioned roughhouse race-riding at its best—or worst. When the horses crossed the line, the finish was too close to call. Since there was no film patrol or photo-finish camera in those days, the decision rested with four stewards who watched the race through binoculars from their booth atop the grandstand roof.

As Fisher told it, three of the four stewards subsequently admitted to him that Head Play, not Brokers Tip, appeared to be the winner of the 59th Derby. But the chief steward, Charles Price, overruled his colleagues and dismissed Fisher's claim of foul, declaring Brokers Tip the winner by a nose. One reason for this decision, Fisher believed, was that the naked eye always favors the inside horse—Brokers Tip, in this case.

Yikes.