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Kasept 03-20-2011 10:53 AM
From Scott Blasi, colt came back great, doing fine this morning. Says they're all pretty excited...

Indian Charlie 03-20-2011 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 762069)
From Scott Blasi, colt came back great, doing fine this morning. Says they're all pretty excited...
Are they going straight to the SA Derby?

NTamm1215 03-20-2011 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 762071)
Are they going straight to the SA Derby?
There'd probably be a better chance they'd run Wilburn in the SA Derby but I think after the Albergatti flop they'll be a bit more patient with recent maiden winners.

Indian Charlie 03-20-2011 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 762079)
There'd probably be a better chance they'd run Wilburn in the SA Derby but I think after the Albergatti flop they'll be a bit more patient with recent maiden winners.
I was being facetious, but heck, the way people get the fever the last 10 years or so, coupled with the lack of good health of the owner, I would not be surprised at all to see this horse put on the 'trail'.

Thoroughbred Fan 03-20-2011 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 761932)
3yo First-time starter out of the worlds fastest horse - Forest Music - won his debut big at Santa Anita today and is an obvious superstar. A Baffert debuter by Werblin who was the clear-cut standout of OBS June last year was a clear and distant 2nd.

Forest Music was one of only two horses in history to ever to run a 20 and change quarter at the Fasig Tipton Calder sale. Tiz Wonderful (who broke his maiden by about 15 at Saratoga first-out) was the other.

Forest Music won her debut nicely with a 107 Beyer figure at LRL - and was rushed into the BC Juvenile fillies out west a few weeks later in start #2 and was eased. Ended up being a multiple Graded Stakes winning sprinter who would set strong paces and always stagger home.

Maclean's Music has no future as a distance horse ... but Distorted Humor to Forest Music ... you have to love that.
I happened to be at Laurel the day Forest Music broke her maiden. It was the most impressive maiden performance I've ever seen live. Save for an insane owner, her name could be much more well known.

This colt looked very good. High cruising speed, seemed well within himself. He might eventually get a mile, but probably no further.

FM is still a young broodmare, lets hope she produces a few more nice ones.

Kasept 03-20-2011 04:39 PM
110 Beyer the preliminary number..

Indian Charlie 03-20-2011 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 762128)
110 Beyer the preliminary number..
Is this crop going to set a record for most debuters with a triple digit BSF?

The Indomitable DrugS 03-20-2011 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Kasept (Post 762128)
110 Beyer the preliminary number..
That would give the heavily bet Baffert Werblin debuter who finished a clear 2nd a 92.

Here he is working a bullet 1/4 mile at OBS June last year ...

http://www.obssales.com/juncatalog/2010/197.wmv

Track was quite slow that day ... as nags were posting 23 and even 24 and change quarters.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-20-2011 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 762137)
Is this crop going to set a record for most debuters with a triple digit BSF?
It feels like it anyway. There was no way that maiden race yesterday wasn't going to come back supersonic fast. A simple glance of the days five other dirt sprints could tell that.

If race #1 comes back par - Maclean's Music gets a 111

If race #2 comes back par - Maclean's Music gets a 112

If race #6 comes back par - Maclean's Music gets a 113

if race #9 comes back par - Maclean's Music gets a 106

if race #10 comes back par - Maclean's Music gets a 116

That avg's out to a 111.6 with 112 the middling number. If you look at the day The Factor won his maiden race ... the track was clearly yielding much faster times all day long on The Factor's day.

King Glorious 03-21-2011 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 762005)
Yeah, but wasn't Skip Away something like 4 of 11 that year?

It's hard to give HOY to a horse that didn't even win half of its starts.
They gave it to Ferdinand in 1987 when it should have gone to Java Gold. Even Manila or Theatrical would have been a better choice than Ferdinand.

Pedigree Ann 03-21-2011 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 761978)
The amazing thing about his cut is he went into the '96 BCC as part of a 21-1 entry.
With PP's like that today, he would be 3/5.
Isolate his record at 10f.

blackthroatedwind 03-21-2011 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann (Post 762215)
Isolate his record at 10f.
I'll give you credit....you never tire of being boorish.

Many of us are still waiting for your response to your idiotic suggestion that horses with high debut Beyers ( you made your usual inane comment concerning Bind ) went on to do very little during their careers. Well, five of the 20 in the last 19 years to return won Grade 1 races ( seven races in total ). 13 of those 20 ran 1-2-3 in Grade 1 races and 13 of the 20 won Graded Stakes.

Why don't you respond when your idiocy is exposed instead of making one useless hit and run post after another?

I know, like you, that Formal Gold was 0 for 3 in 1 1/4 races. I also know he ran 106, 108 and 115 speed figures in losing three races he wasn't favored in, and was over 20:1 in one of them. But, you think you're clever with your snide little comment. Guess what? You aren't.

slotdirt 03-21-2011 10:43 AM
Every time I see a fast debut Beyer, I think "well, that's no Formal Gold." I guess I'll be thinking "wow, that's no Maclean's Music" from now on.

RolloTomasi 03-21-2011 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by slotdirt (Post 762250)
Every time I see a fast debut Beyer, I think "well, that's no Formal Gold." I guess I'll be thinking "wow, that's no Maclean's Music" from now on.
If this horse is campaigned even half as aggressively as Formal Gold was we'll be in for a treat.

Of course, they'll probably shoot themselves in the foot right off the bat by foregoing the most important step in Formal Gold's ascent to the big leagues...running through his allowance conditions first.

A few years ago, Earl Mack had another Formal Gold-wannabe named Grand Hombre, who won his first 4 races, all with triple digit Beyers. He, too, was run through his allowance conditions before tackling stakes horses.

The only mistake Mack (and trainer Dennis Manning) made with the horse was that they sold him to Godolphin after his Pennsylvania Derby romp. Of course, he never won again...and in fact, is still filling fields to this day in Dubai during the Carnival as an 11 year old.

blackthroatedwind 03-21-2011 11:34 AM
Grand Hombre was also a major league putover in his debut.

RolloTomasi 03-21-2011 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by King Glorious (Post 762188)
They gave it to Ferdinand in 1987 when it should have gone to Java Gold. Even Manila or Theatrical would have been a better choice than Ferdinand.
Yeah, and Alysheba would have been a bad choice, too, I suppose.

That essentially meaningless '87 Travers holds as much water for you as the Saratoga main track did that day.

All it proved was that the opportunistic Java Gold was a superior mudder relative to Alysheba and Bet Twice (you know, the two most battle tested and accomplished 3yos that year).

Not sure he deserved HOY for that.

freddymo 03-21-2011 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann (Post 762215)
Isolate his record at 10f.
Do you think that there is a correlation between horses running fast in their debut and them developing into quality race horses?

blackthroatedwind 03-21-2011 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi (Post 762274)
Yeah, and Alysheba would have been a bad choice, too, I suppose.

That essentially meaningless '87 Travers holds as much water for you as the Saratoga main track did that day.

All it proved was that the opportunistic Java Gold was a superior mudder relative to Alysheba and Bet Twice (you know, the two most battle tested and accomplished 3yos that year).

Not sure he deserved HOY for that.
I loved Java Gold....but he shouldn't have been HOY. While it was obviously Pat Day's fault he lost the JCGC, he still lost that race, and with it any legit claim to the award.

Just because you think a horse should have won an award, or was the best horse to race in a given year, doesn't mean it deserves the award.

blackthroatedwind 03-21-2011 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by freddymo (Post 762276)
Do you think that there is a correlation between horses running fast in their debut and them developing into quality race horses?
Thinking isn't on her resume.

RolloTomasi 03-21-2011 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 762268)
Grand Hombre was also a major league putover in his debut.
Don't remember his debut (it was followed by a significant layoff) or what price he was that day. Anything else come out of that race to do anything?


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