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Indian Charlie 02-04-2011 08:38 PM

And since Roman Ruler is turning out to be at least a useful stallion, I would say that adds some value to Fupeg.

Indian Charlie 02-04-2011 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 749051)
He gets a ton of nightmares though. He was bred to a million mares, many very good mares at one time. Plus unless the foals are perfect people are reluctant to pay good money for them because of how crazy and unsound they are.

I have no idea about the nightmares, but ok, I will surrender the point to you on this one.

That being said though, the whole thing with LaL reminds me very much of Vindication. He had to have had the greatest books of mares for his first two or three crops.

He didn't do much with those books, and that is my prediction for LaL.

And for awhile there, don't forget, I was about the only person on DT defending the horse as he went into his three year old season.

AeWingnut 02-04-2011 08:49 PM

Baffert trained horses (I remember) and their stud careers

Silver Charm - nope
Real Quiet - zippo
War Emblem - prefers other colts?
Point Given - slim
Congaree - ? may be ok
Vindication - so so


I can't remember many

the post race careers don't ever match their racing career.

Doesn't mean a whole heckuvalot

justa thought

Indian Charlie 02-04-2011 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut (Post 749058)
Baffert trained horses (I remember) and their stud careers

Silver Charm - nope
Real Quiet - zippo
War Emblem - prefers other colts?
Point Given - slim
Congaree - ? may be ok
Vindication - so so


I can't remember many

the post race careers don't ever match their racing career.

Doesn't mean a whole heckuvalot

justa thought

First off, Real Quiet was not a zippo.

Baffert also had another one from the same crop as Real Quiet, and he's been a tremendous success.

Cannon Shell 02-04-2011 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 749056)
I have no idea about the nightmares, but ok, I will surrender the point to you on this one.

That being said though, the whole thing with LaL reminds me very much of Vindication. He had to have had the greatest books of mares for his first two or three crops.

He didn't do much with those books, and that is my prediction for LaL.

And for awhile there, don't forget, I was about the only person on DT defending the horse as he went into his three year old season.

I believe LaL is better suited as a stallion based on his conformation and pedigree than Vindication. Vindication has really bad knees. Most stallions are busts for the most part.

RockHardTen1985 02-04-2011 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 749045)
WHO???
What decent runners he's thrown have been fillies.

I think he may have a chance to be a decent broodmare sire but, there wouldn't be value in breeding to FuPeg if he was free.

Bandini was OK.

RockHardTen1985 02-04-2011 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 749046)
Not a fan of sons of Giants Causeway at stud
GC sires brittle horses better suited to the turf

This is not totally true, but you know more then me and I think we had this fight about 4 years ago.

Dahoss 02-04-2011 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 749082)
Bandini was OK.

:wf :wf

RockHardTen1985 02-04-2011 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 749084)
:wf :wf

Not really. He was decent enough. If you go to FP for 15k and come out with Bandini I think your thrilled. I know he was not 15k at that time, but thats not the point.

Dahoss 02-04-2011 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 749085)
Not really. He was decent enough. If you go to FP for 15k and come out with Bandini I think your thrilled. I know he was not 15k at that time, but thats not the point.

What is the point?

RockHardTen1985 02-04-2011 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 749086)
What is the point?

That FuPeg has dropped a few decent runners.

Dahoss 02-04-2011 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 749087)
That FuPeg has dropped a few decent runners.

And the evidence of this is Bandini? Like I said :wf :wf

RockHardTen1985 02-04-2011 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 749088)
And the evidence of this is Bandini? Like I said :wf :wf

Roman Ruler and the horse who ran OK in the BC Turf. I forget his name.

Dahoss 02-04-2011 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 749091)
Roman Ruler and the horse who ran OK in the BC Turf. I forget his name.

Yeah, Champ pegasus is a beast. Just stop already.

Cannon Shell 02-04-2011 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 749083)
This is not totally true, but you know more then me and I think we had this fight about 4 years ago.

Yeah the fight was like Hagler /Hearns. You were Hearns

Cannon Shell 02-04-2011 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 749085)
Not really. He was decent enough. If you go to FP for 15k and come out with Bandini I think your thrilled. I know he was not 15k at that time, but thats not the point.

Dont you think there is a reason that he has dropped to 15?

RockHardTen1985 02-04-2011 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 749094)
Yeah the fight was like Hagler /Hearns. You were Hearns

Use something more recent so I can understand, please.

RockHardTen1985 02-04-2011 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 749095)
Dont you think there is a reason that he has dropped to 15?


Yes, yes I do.
The price was to high to begin with.

freddymo 02-05-2011 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 749052)
Admittedly, I'm not privy to such things.



Roman Ruler.
Bandini.
The BC Turf runner up, Champ Pegasus

He also had some Aussie superstar, Hardsun, or something like that.

He was bred to over 1500 mares on two hemisperes and you came up with Fraudini and one nice colt? Fu Peg had awesome books at the start of his stud career. Fu Peg is little more then a regional stallion at this point.


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