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How about a little informal voting here to see where DT people who actually took the time to vote ranked some of the ones who have been discussed? At the risk of being ridiculed, here are some of mine with the current top 20 and a few others I feel are misplaced.

Secretariat
Man O War
Seattle Slew
Affirmed
Spectacular Bid
Dr Fager
Forego
Count Fleet-fringe top 50, yeah, more like top 5
Citation- top 5
Kelso

Anyone not have the above as 10?
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Northern Dancer- I gave him 9
John Henry- 9
Sunday Silence- 9
Zenyatta- 9
Ruffian- 9
Alydar -9
Swaps- 9 or 10
Damascus- 9 or 10
Seabiscuit- tough one..9

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Goldlikova- I gave her 10. 3 BC and all those open G1
Cigar- 10
AP Indy- 8. Talented, better sire than compiled results
Native Dancer- 9 because he never beat older horses
Buckpasser- 10
Whirlaway- another tough one. 9 or 10
Barbaro- in the context of top 250, maybe a 6
Eight Belles- seriously, was 2nd in Ky Derby and that was her best. 3
Rachel Alexandra- best 3yo filly I have seen gets you a 9.
Nashua-9
Proviso- top 100? 5
Colin- 9
Lost in the Fog- lost his only tough race. 5
Blind Luck- good 3yo filly, maybe 7
Ouija Board- underrated. Globe trotting mare almost won 3 BC. 9

....oh there are just too many that raced in the last 5 years that are overrated. Almost all of these are champions of high class, but in the context of a "top 250 all time" they just don't measure up.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 747947)

Easy Goer had the better career.

I rated him the best 2-year-old of the 80's - a decade of many super 2yo's - and the 2nd best 3yo of the 80's behind Sunday Silence.

Sunday Silence didn't do much at age 2 - and his edge over Easy Goer at age 3 was razor thin because of the head-to-head matches where he was able to exploit his tactical superiority while Easy Goer was picking the wrong races to break poorly, race erratically, and make pre-mature moves.

I think even Sunday Silence's biggest fans will admit Easy Goer should be rated higher when you take the entire career into consideration - and not just the 3yo season.

I didn't say I disagreed with you. I'm just surprised you made a correct assessment for a change.

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 747950)

I'd rate Zenyatta maybe a 7, and Blind Luck, probably a 5.5 or 6.

I can think of too many fillies/mares that would have embarrassed either of those two on dirt.

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 747954)

I'd rate Zenyatta maybe a 7, and Blind Luck, probably a 5.5 or 6.

I can think of too many fillies/mares that would have embarrassed either of those two on dirt.

Im really not sure how Blind Luck can be that close to Z. I know she traveled around, and raced in most of the big races and all, but its not enough for me. At best, like said above she was a good 3yr old filly, who has already came back to get beat this year. If Z is a 10 BL is a 5. If Z is a 7, BL is a 2.

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 747950)

Native Dancer- 9 because he never beat older horses

He did win the Met Mile under a 130lbs at age 4.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 747918)

Archie Manning did make two pro bowls in his long NFL career - but his career record as a starting quarterback was 35-101-3 and he never once had a single winning season.

Archie was held back by an organization that made terrible personnel decisions (such as drafting punter Russell Erxleben in the first round, two spots before Kellen Winslow) and a team riddled with cocaine users.

Now that New Orleans has adopted Drew Brees as a native son, many in the city have turned on Archie. You should have seen the comments to articles written about Archie in the days leading up to last year's Super Bowl.