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CSC 01-19-2011 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 744200)

Nice photo, but it doesn't address the post.

NTamm1215 01-19-2011 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 744195)
Does it really matter who you beat? Or is how you do it more important? Last year beating Macho Uno and Bullsbay sealed the deal so I don't buy the former. Blame squeaked out wins over Battle Plan, Quality Road and Zenyatta in what most will call a conservative campaign. Surely that didn't enhance his credentials, as I stated I thought he did enough with his win in the Classic, but again he wasn't the best by a landslide, not by a longshot.

Ugh. So now we're putting "squeaked out wins over Battle Plan, Quality Road, and Zenyatta" behind wins over Dance to My Tune, Switch, and Rinterval because she had her ears pricked?

I'm not even going to address your comments about 2009 that dead horse has been beaten beyond recognition.

alysheba4 01-19-2011 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 744202)
Favorite Trick.

...who did he beat out again?

Thunder Gulch 01-19-2011 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 744195)
Does it really matter who you beat? Or is how you do it more important? Last year beating Macho Uno and Bullsbay sealed the deal so I don't buy the former. Blame squeaked out wins over Battle Plan, Quality Road and Zenyatta in what most will call a conservative campaign. Surely that didn't enhance his credentials, as I stated I thought he did enough with his win in the Classic, but again he wasn't the best by a landslide, not by a longshot.

Blame is far from an all time great horse, and the campaign was conservative by most standards (not Zenyatta's). What if he had taken a softer spot and not caught a stakes speed horse who got loose that day? If he had won the other races he did and beaten a soft 4 horse G3 field that day to be undefeated, who would be HOY? Probably still Zenyatta, but that shows how screwed up the vote is anyway.

blackthroatedwind 01-19-2011 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by alysheba4 (Post 744208)
...who did he beat out again?

As I am a Lurker pointed out....Skip Away and Victory Gallop.

CSC 01-19-2011 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 744206)
Ugh. So now we're putting "squeaked out wins over Battle Plan, Quality Road, and Zenyatta" behind wins over Dance to My Tune, Switch, and Rinterval because she had her ears pricked?

I'm not even going to address your comments about 2009 that dead horse has been beaten beyond recognition.

I wasn't attempting to rehash last year's subject, however I do think people look at other factors...style, popularity, when the gap between 2 horses is a small one. Given Blame did just enough to be HOY last year, I don't see the travesty as others feel it was. Regardless who the horse that beat him is.

slotdirt 01-19-2011 10:50 AM

What's wrong with squeaking out wins over Battle Plan and Quality Road? Those aren't exactly claimers.

CSC 01-19-2011 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch (Post 744209)
Blame is far from an all time great horse, and the campaign was conservative by most standards (not Zenyatta's). What if he had taken a softer spot and not caught a stakes speed horse who got loose that day? If he had won the other races he did and beaten a soft 4 horse G3 field that day to be undefeated, who would be HOY? Probably still Zenyatta, but that shows how screwed up the vote is anyway.

For sure he could have done more last year, and that would have made the decision an easy one.

Again I felt he should have won HOY with his win in the classic, it would have been just punishment for Sheriff's and Moss's putting all their eggs into one basket approach. Saying that, I am not going to be rushing out singing the praises of Blame's campaign and races last year either.

Revidere 01-19-2011 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 744225)
As I am a Lurker pointed out....Skip Away and Victory Gallop.

Wasn't Victory Gallop a two year old in 1997?

I would have thought Formal Gold or Silver Charm.

blackthroatedwind 01-19-2011 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Revidere (Post 744233)
Wasn't Victory Gallop a two year old in 1997?

I would have thought Formal Gold or Silver Charm.

Yeah, I was confused. It happens.

FGFan 01-19-2011 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE (Post 744058)
Which one can dance?

I thought it was funny....:p:D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM1Q5rflpnA

alysheba4 01-19-2011 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 744235)
Yeah, I was confused. It happens.

last time i heard you confused was on a broadcast recently.....wondering why someone would take even money on some mdn 12 mule at the duct. i agreed:$:

prudery 01-19-2011 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OTM Al (Post 744104)
Old timers used to say 1 lb = 1 length. That means she lost by 3.....

Scale weight is not considered handicap weight . Old timers know that.

Just saying .

ateamstupid 01-19-2011 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC (Post 744226)
I wasn't attempting to rehash last year's subject, however I do think people look at other factors...style, popularity, when the gap between 2 horses is a small one. Given Blame did just enough to be HOY last year, I don't see the travesty as others feel it was. Regardless who the horse that beat him is.

This is when you should stop talking about HOY and go play with Barbies.

Dahoss 01-19-2011 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 744282)
This is when you should stop talking about HOY and go play with Barbies.

Maybe he's multi tasking.

iamthelurker 01-27-2011 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 744235)
Yeah, I was confused. It happens.

Horse A and B were Awesome Again and Skip Away.

1998, Skip Away won HOTY despite Awesome Again (who took a very similar route to Blame) winning the Classic.

1997, Favorite Trick won over Skip Away despite Skip Aways dominant Classic win at Santa Anita.

Is it possible voters regretted not giving the award to Skip Away the year before and despite his loss to Awesome Again felt he deserved a HOTY?

Is it possible voters felt Zenyatta deserved a HOTY title because of her impressive 3 years of consistency?

Does history repeat itself?

Too many questions.


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