If randy moss actually said that there was no speed bias, they need to have him covering tiddly winks and womens volleyball.
Did he actually say that?

he did indeed.

What a ****ing imbecile he is then. He goes on the imbecile list.

lol

now, now...you know moss is no imbecile. everyone says something dumb once in a while. let him use his 'dumb' card for a free pass.

maybe there wasn't earlier on...i have no idea. i DO know after he said it, i sat and pondered...and figured, naaaah. he must have mis-spoken. that and bailey blasting premium tap, instead of congratulating him....he probably bet the chalk! yum yum jerry, eat it up!! lol

Sorry. Randy Moss is the one guy who does know what he is talking about on TV. Who else you got in mind to put in his spot? The guy knows his history, he knows the horses, he is well-spoken. All the track guys they have analyzing races at all the different tracks... no way in hell they could take his spot.
I think the Moss, Mayne, Bailey combination is working very, very well. I really like Bailey and his arrogant edge. And with Mayne to lighten things up. A very good bunch. ESPN must be given kudos with this group. It works in a sport that does not.

That about sums it up. Sun King tries his heart out every time and is having one hell of a year, if he would have had a little better racing luck he would have been a dual G1 winner in two of the most important races of the year and would be a live contender for horse of the year. If Zito is smart, he'll give him some time off and get him ready for the Classic with an easy prep.

It also appeared to me that Julien used him a little early before the final turn, Rafael may have been the difference in this race. But, considering how the track was on Saturday he still ran a great race and should be commended for how game he is no matter who he's facing. Love the guts and heart of this horse.

Look at the charts from Saturday -- on the main track, no winner was worse than second at the quarter pole. The stretch was a no-passing zone so I think Sun King ran a commendable race.

Amazing stuff. Sun King tried hard and ran a great race? If he's a really good horse, what does this make Premium Tap? U know Premium Tap has beaten him twice now. And what does this make Second of June? U know, the same Second of June that hasn't won a race since 2003? Give it up. Sun King is not a top class horse and all this race does is confirms that Invasor is extremely overrated.

KG,
Who is good? Lava Man ? Everyone else sucks???

Lava Man is good. Bernardini is good. I think Discreet Cat is in that class also (although admittedly, he's got to do more to prove it to everyone). Other than that, I don't think there are any other horses that route that are any good, 3yo's or older. Wait, I forgot about Bright One and Cindago. But the jury is still out on both of those two but they have potential to be good ones.

The rest? Yes, they all suck. U can put a blanket over them and they are all the same horse. The ones that win today will come in last in the next race and the ones that were nowhere to be found today will win the next race. The only consistency in the division is the inconsistency. Invasor has seemed like he is a step ahead of them but he's beaten absolutely nothing at all and was all out to barely beat Sun King, who is simply NOT a grade one winning horse. He had the perfect opportunity here and couldn't get it done again and hold's a losing record versus Premium Tap. Let's be real here. Premium Tap is not a world beater. He had 13 career starts before yesterday and no graded stakes wins and only $171k in earnings. Then Second of June also beat him, he of no wins since January of 2004. And he barely beats Papi Chullo, he of no career stakes wins and who was last seen losing the Longacres Mile. Meanwhile, not one but all of the supposed top stakes horses in the race (Flower Alley, Sun King, Suave, Andromeda's Hero, and Funny Cide) all flopped.

I hope Sun King keeps chugging along and filling out huge all/ all/ sunny triples

First thing is that how can it be possible that Sun King was the ONLY one that made a WINNING MOVE in a race in which he finished third? Did the first two finishers make losing moves? I don't understand that. There is a difference, at least to me, in being grade one caliber and a grade one horse. Going Wild was keeping grade one company last year. Did that make him grade one caliber? If EVERYTIME u step up to that level, u lose, that's saying something. EVERYTIME.

this reminds me of when smarty lost the belmont..
'SEE' they said, 'told you he couldn't get 12f!!! he lost by a length. came in second after winning every other race he ran in.....yep, they were right. 1 length is the difference between being able to get 12f or not, so i guess a nose is the difference between being/not being a gr 1 horse.
premium tap won, a lot on here said he isn't a true gr 1 horse--and he won the thing! so i guess sun king will just have to suck it up.


i also remember a certain 'bridesmaid' a couple years back...ended up winning a bunch when he finally figured it out. stands for a nice stud fee now too.

aldebaran anyone?

Its funny you mention Aldebaran, he is not talked about very much. This horse killed me. I was all over him one year with Bailey aboard at low odds and he could just never get up. I swore off of him. Gave up. Next year he comes up with mutliple gr1 wins!! And i don't make a penny!

oh well, still liked him.

see, never give up on a horse til the horse gives up!

dahoss, if i'm breathing, i'm usually being sarcastic! i almost lost my mind after that race, one of smartys best, when people suggested it was now proven he couldn't get 12f!!!! one lousy length. unbelievable.

no that is the point, you can't use a length or two loss to make a blanket statement about a horses class. Of course Smarty could get 12 furlongs.