Jeremy Rose?

exactly why this is apples and oranges,don't pretend it's not.It has nothing to do with use or misuse of whips.

There is simply not enough information in these two incidents for anyone, including myself, to judge wether or not there was abuse and if these two should have been fined. The fact that they were fined would suggest the races in question were observed by the experts so I concede to their judgement.

Don't complain the next time you get nosed out of the tail end of a superfecta if the jockey chose not to use the whip because he was afraid to be fined.

Thanks. Sorry, Stu!

My point was simply that equipment is safe when used correctly, and can do great harm when misused.

That's happened to me, that jocks have wrapped up on horses I've been on, or stood in the stirrups. I leave it to the jock. He's on the horse, I'm not. I know whipping a done horse doesn't do anything. I've never complained, and never will. The horses come before winnings for me.