...and Warrior's Reward is somehow really good?

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Musket Man, assigned 117 pounds, is one of 10 horses expected for the Cigar Mile. Others expected to run include Girolamo (120 pounds), Haynesfield (120), Bribon (119), Vineyard Haven (119), Friend or Foe (115), Half Metal Jacket (115), Noble’s Promise (115), Jersey Town (114), and Soaring Empire (114).

Wonder where Arson Squad and Our Dark Knight are going then??

In same article, Ryan said Musket Man would definitely come back to run in 2011 as a 5-year-old and most likely be pointed to one-turn races such as the Carter and Met Mile.

Haynesfield has worked once since the BC. Since 2002 Breeders' Cup horses are 1-13 in the Cigar Mile with Congaree's win in the 2003 edition being the lone victory and he was an absolute monster at Aqueduct.

None of those 13 horses went off more than 10-1.

Well he did beat Musket Man, in a race where he became a Grade 1 winner.

you are right...."stinks" is relative . but its not like he loses the first at aqueduct against 7,500 claimers. he pretty much loses against the best around. if they were a little more realistic with ENTERING this horse i think he could beat this bunch he faces saturday REGULARLY. he probably would of had a good shot in that ridiculous mile a few weeks ago. but he ran where he had no shot whatsoever. of course, everything i'm saying is wrong if he gets trounced saturday. if this horse loses by anything more than length....he does suck!

By what, a nose? And then lost to Musket Man at Churchill and Belmont.

this tells me. you really don't know how to bet. musket man was ok relative to price....the worst bets were people picking looking at lucky and blind luck. when people pick overmatched horses at SHORT odds...thats the definition of a bad pick. you should really learn a thing or two before acting like an expert. but then again i love when folks like you bet.

Warrior's Reward finished well ahead of Musket Man at Churchill in the slop.

My bad. For some reason, I thought Musket Man had finished second that day (instead of third, where he did finish).

Yeah, it was certainly not a remarkable race given it was the high point of Warrior's Reward's season post-Carter and Musket Man and Atta Boy Roy combined to go 1-7 the rest of the way.

Musket Man is not a superstar, but no one has ever made him out to be one. I think he has a decent shot in the Cigar Mile and would hope that if they say they're going to keep him to one turn races next year they actually stick to that plan.

I agree that Musket Man is not a superstar, but I've always respected him a lot. As a son of Yonaguska who came through Tampa and Hawthorne, I always thought his over-achieving Triple Crown efforts last year got lost in the Mine That Bird/ Rachel hoopla.

I also agree that it would be nice to see them stick to the one-turn plan next year. (Look what that did for Big Drama this year.) Not sure what to make of Saturday's race, as I'm leery of these post-Breeders' Cup entrants. The up-and-coming three year-olds, Friend or Foe and Noble's Promise, are interesting in this spot.

Yonaguska is not a horrible stud, he can get you a real racehorse maybe not a ton of Graded winners but an earner

Not awful, but it was certainly a surprise to see a son of his competing well in races at a classic distance.

It's kind of interesting, because Yonaguska had a pedigree to be good at middle distances. As far as I remember, he only started twice in route races, getting third in the Champagne and running unplaced in the BC Juvenile. He retired after his 3yo season.

Certainly his sire, Cherokee Run, has been a good source of route horses. Seems like every year he has some sort of Derby prospect (eg Chelokee, Zanjero, War Pass, Kafwain, and now Industry Leader in CA). That's sort of surprising, too, because he made his mark as a sprinter.

But then you remember that he was a neck away from being a Preakness winner.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

He stands in LA for 4k. He aint AP Indy.

Musket Man has been handled in a curious fashion pretty much his entire career.

Sent to TURKEY in 2010

Look up his progeny a tremendous percentage made it to the races and earned

They didnt earn much

http://www.racingpost.com/bloodstock...orse_id=534976

http://www.pedigreequery.com

Type in Yon...and see his kids they all earned..this racing post is Kaka