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NTamm1215 11-13-2010 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by monipenny (Post 722680)
Didn't say he was the sharpest trainer. I said he has a eye for talent. I would have had no problem with what he did if Noble Promise was my horse. The guy gift wrapped Curlin, Einstein, and oh ya Harlan's Holiday. Or did ya already forget about those horses? Just ask Helen Pitts-Blasi or S. Asmussen. Many times the horse makes the trainer and not so much the other way around.
The fact that Curlin and Einstein were as good as they were has 10000x more to do with Helen Pitts than it does McPeek. He would have been a fraction as patient with them as she was.

So David Ingordo has as much to do with Zenyatta being successful as John Shirreffs? Come on.

Danzig 11-13-2010 08:38 AM
mcpeek left training, so helen hung out her shingle as trainer when some of his owners stayed with her. at the time, mcpeek was a bloodstock advisor-so i don't see how curlin and einstein having success had much to do with him. i'm pretty sure they'd have turned out well regardless of who picked them out at a sale.

Sightseek 11-13-2010 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by monipenny (Post 722724)
" I don't see how curlin and einstein having success has much to do with him." That very well could go down as the stupidest post of the year. Maybe you should ask Bloodstock agent John Moynihan if picking out Charismatic, or Curlin or Rachel Alexandra for Jess Jackson had little or no effect on how good they might become. I actually really laughed out loud at myself. Charismatic was one of the first horses John picked out for Robert Lewis and ya Lukas practically gave the horse away for 62.5 twice before realizing how good this guy was! Sometimes, just sometimes these horses fool ya cause your not a Horse Whisperer. But, John Moynihan sure the hell is and you can go ask Bob Baffert, Charlotte Weber, or even Sheikh Mohammed. I bet they would say nah, because they would just up the ante for his expertise on how much they pay the guy.
It sure did take a genius to see Curlin and Rachel were something special after they had hit the track. Go John!

hoovesupsideyourhead 11-13-2010 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by NTamm1215 (Post 722682)
The fact that Curlin and Einstein were as good as they were has 10000x more to do with Helen Pitts than it does McPeek. He would have been a fraction as patient with them as she was.

So David Ingordo has as much to do with Zenyatta being successful as John Shirreffs? Come on.
true.

Sightseek 11-13-2010 09:06 AM
I would like to congratulate Titan Sooner - you Sir, are a Horse Whisperer!

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ghlight=Curlin

Danzig 11-13-2010 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by monipenny (Post 722724)
" I don't see how curlin and einstein having success has much to do with him." That very well could go down as the stupidest post of the year. Maybe you should ask Bloodstock agent John Moynihan if picking out Charismatic, or Curlin or Rachel Alexandra for Jess Jackson had little or no effect on how good they might become. I actually really laughed out loud at myself. Charismatic was one of the first horses John picked out for Robert Lewis and ya Lukas practically gave the horse away for 62.5 twice before realizing how good this guy was! Sometimes, just sometimes these horses fool ya cause your not a Horse Whisperer. But, John Moynihan sure the hell is and you can go ask Bob Baffert, Charlotte Weber, or even Sheikh Mohammed. I bet they would say nah, because they would just up the ante for his expertise on how much they pay the guy.
i fail to see how who picked a horse out has any impact on how the horse turns out. either a horse has talent, or he doesn't. are you really suggesting a horse suddenly runs faster because of the person who picks him out at a sale? if john smith had picked out curlin, or joe shmo picked out charismatic, they'd have been slower because the right guy didn't buy them?
but then, i fail to see how your rudeness proves your point either, so i guess i'm just loony like that.

Danzig 11-13-2010 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 722731)
I would like to congratulate Titan Sooner - you Sir, are a Horse Whisperer!

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ghlight=Curlin
good thing titan didn't try to get someone to buy him, he wouldn't have turned out so well. :rolleyes:

JerseyJ 11-13-2010 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by monipenny (Post 722724)
" I don't see how curlin and einstein having success has much to do with him." That very well could go down as the stupidest post of the year. Maybe you should ask Bloodstock agent John Moynihan if picking out Charismatic, or Curlin or Rachel Alexandra for Jess Jackson had little or no effect on how good they might become. I actually really laughed out loud at myself. Charismatic was one of the first horses John picked out for Robert Lewis and ya Lukas practically gave the horse away for 62.5 twice before realizing how good this guy was! Sometimes, just sometimes these horses fool ya cause your not a Horse Whisperer. But, John Moynihan sure the hell is and you can go ask Bob Baffert, Charlotte Weber, or even Sheikh Mohammed. I bet they would say nah, because they would just up the ante for his expertise on how much they pay the guy.
I would venture to say any successive post coming from your user name would enter the stupidest post of the year derby considering you think it made perfect sense for McPeaked to send Noble's Promise over to England to run in a race he had no chance to win, and didn't even hit the board in. Smart man that McPeaked. You sir, are a tard.

JerseyJ 11-13-2010 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by monipenny (Post 722741)
" A fool and his money are soon departed." You are just a jealous broken down gambler who hides behind a computer screen. If u even had a clue as 2 the drivel you speak of. :zz:
Oh I have a clue alright...I did fine for myself last weekend. And sure, I would love seeing my trainer send a horse accross to England where I have to pay for the trip to be unplaced. If I was a jealous, broken down gambler, pretty sure I wouldn't have a computer to post behind. Get back to me when you get a clue which might happen when Ken McPeaked actually develops a horse. But since McPeaked can't develop horses, it more than likely never happens.

NTamm1215 11-13-2010 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by monipenny (Post 722689)
Your argument lacks substance, but I will try to address it. Ok, Einstein was hand picked by McPeek and the owner choose to give the horse to Helen because she worked for McPeek and she either got fired or went out on her own. I'm not sure about the exact particulars. And Curlin also was hand picked by McPeek and she assumed training of him as well. But, 2 think McPeek had no influence on how these horses were trained then that's just foolish. I suppose you think J. Sahadi trained Elmhurst and Lit De Justice also right?:zz:
Your psuedo-insider mantra just fizzles when you shrug off how Helen Pitts went out on her own.

Keep preaching McPeek is the best, everyone's listening.

JerseyJ 11-13-2010 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by monipenny (Post 722755)
Alex, may i have horse racing 101 for 1000 please: Who developed the wonderful Harlan's Holiday? Well Alex, that would be none other then Ken McPeek. Oh, should I defer credit to the guys in Aiken,SC?
Congratulations, he developed ONE. For every Harlan's Holiday for McPeaked there's a Beautician. Make that for every one Harlan's Holiday there's 3 Beauticians.

And you really think Harlan's Holiday was that good? If you do I have a bridge I want to sell you in Brooklyn. He was good, but no superstar.

Sightseek 11-13-2010 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JerseyJ (Post 722746)
Oh I have a clue alright...I did fine for myself last weekend. And sure, I would love seeing my trainer send a horse accross to England where I have to pay for the trip to be unplaced. If I was a jealous, broken down gambler, pretty sure I wouldn't have a computer to post behind. Get back to me when you get a clue which might happen when Ken McPeaked actually develops a horse. But since McPeaked can't develop horses, it more than likely never happens.
Were you the guy who said they liked Hamazing Destiny going into the BC? If so, nice!

JerseyJ 11-13-2010 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Sightseek (Post 722776)
Were you the guy who said they liked Hamazing Destiny going into the BC? If so, nice!
Yes, I did figure he was going to run huge last Saturday. I wish he would have won instead of gotten 2nd because that would have made for a better Exacta and a win bet, but he's always had talent. Just been waiting for him to run a race like that.


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