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DaTruth 09-06-2010 10:02 PM
One of my favorite races was the Personal Ensign. It was great to see some of the top distaffers actually compete against each other for a change, even if the outcome wasn't what many expected.

hockey2315 09-06-2010 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 693146)
Orsonian, a son of Officer, trained by Ralph Nicks is going to break his maiden at Belmont. He ran in the race where Stay Thirsty broke his maiden.
i like him too

RockHardTen1985 09-07-2010 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 693151)
i like him too
I thought the horse to bet back out of that race was the pace setter who finished 3rd.

Dahoss 09-07-2010 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 693191)
I thought the horse to bet back out of that race was the pace setter who finished 3rd.
Watch the head on.

hockey2315 09-07-2010 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 693191)
I thought the horse to bet back out of that race was the pace setter who finished 3rd.
The overpriced Birdstone? He'll be transferred to Suroor and never heard from again if he ever wins. . .

RockHardTen1985 09-07-2010 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 693195)
The overpriced Birdstone? He'll be transferred to Suroor and never heard from again if he ever wins. . .
A dead on the board Birdstone from those connections carving out that early pace. I thought he would be tough going 8f at Belmont.

hockey2315 09-07-2010 12:29 AM
Everyone was dead on the board in that race except for the Nick piece. Pace was on the slow side. . . I think he's a trap. He can probably win a maiden race at some point, but won't be much down the road.

RockHardTen1985 09-07-2010 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 693200)
Everyone was dead on the board in that race except for the Nick piece. Pace was on the slow side. . . I think he's a trap. He can probably win a maiden race at some point, but won't be much down the road.

This guy....

hockey2315 09-07-2010 12:48 AM
Aruna will be a very interesting longshot in the Garden City. . . Motion has two other nice turfers - Unbridled Humor and the Australian-bred Dehere that debuted a couple of weeks ago.

JerseyJ 09-07-2010 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 693206)
Aruna will be a very interesting longshot in the Garden City. . . Motion has two other nice turfers - Unbridled Humor and the Australian-bred Dehere that debuted a couple of weeks ago.
How about Check the Label too, a legit Graded Stakes 3YO grass filly...

hockey2315 09-07-2010 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by hockey2315 (Post 693206)
Aruna will be a very interesting longshot in the Garden City. . . Motion has two other nice turfers - Unbridled Humor and the Australian-bred Dehere that debuted a couple of weeks ago.
Too soon, actually. Probably Keeneland instead.

Cannon Shell 09-07-2010 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 693082)
Best Older Horse- Blame,Quality Road

Best Older Filly- Proviso,??

Best Older Turf Horse-Get Stormy, Telling??

Best Older Turf Filly- Proviso, Dynaslew

Best 3yr Old- Afleet Express, That IEAH private purchase, maybe Fly Down?

Best 3yr Old Filly- Blind Luck, Devil May Care

Best 2yr Old- Uncle Moe, POS @ Tosscashitta... Still going to love Stay Thirsty going long.

Best 2yr Old Filly- Todds Daughter of Summer Colony, Todds Daughter of Bellamy Road

Best Jockey- JV, Javier was great... But dam where did some of JV's good turf rides come from.

Best Trainer- Todd Pletcher, Linda Rice

Best Finish- Whitney and Travers tie...

Best Public Handicapper- Byk, My avatar...

Horses that need to retire- Forever Together, Informed Decision

Im sure there is a lot more to talk about...
One of your co-older horses came into the meet as the clear leader of the horse of the year discussion and prohibitive fav in his division and leaves the meet with a slim chance to win both titles. Great meet.

I find it hard to believe that anyone would think that Castellano wasn't the best rider.

Or that Devil May Care who also probably blew her eclipse and didnt even hit the board in one race would get lauded for doing that.

You would have thought Discreetely Mine would have gotten some love but I guess winning 2 stakes at the meet isnt nearly as impressive as losing at 3-5

lemoncrush 09-07-2010 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 693082)
Best Older Horse- Blame,Quality Road



Best 2yr Old- Uncle Moe, POS @ Tosscashitta... Still going to love Stay Thirsty going long.
What's the obsession with Stay Thirsty? Because he's by a flashy 1st year sire and has a cute name taken from a funny beer campaign? I'm not sure how you can watch any of his 3 races and predict greatness going 2 turns.

RockHardTen1985 09-07-2010 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by lemoncrush (Post 693222)
What's the obsession with Stay Thirsty? Because he's by a flashy 1st year sire and has a cute name taken from a funny beer campaign? I'm not sure how you can watch any of his 3 races and predict greatness going 2 turns.

He clearly stumbles yesterday, makes the lead on his own against 2 horses who looked to be faster early on. I like him moving forward.

Dahoss 09-07-2010 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 693225)
He clearly stumbles yesterday, makes the lead on his own against 2 horses who looked to be faster early on. I like him moving forward.
How does him stumbling and then making the lead equate to him getting better as he goes longer?

lemoncrush 09-07-2010 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 693225)
He clearly stumbles yesterday, makes the lead on his own against 2 horses who looked to be faster early on. I like him moving forward.
I agree that he was compromised by the break, but he wasn't beating the favorite yesterday, regardless.

RockHardTen1985 09-07-2010 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by lemoncrush (Post 693240)
I agree that he was compromised by the break, but he wasn't beating the favorite yesterday, regardless.
My opinion of him is this.... From day 1 they wanted to go long with him. Repole was on Capital Otb Monday, I believe him. Everything he is doing now is on raw talent. Its likely one more race then BC. When he comes back sometime in Jan-Feb thats when I think we see the new horse. I could be wrong, but I just think there is a world of talent bottled up in this guy.

Dahoss 09-07-2010 11:15 AM
I remember when I used to believe everything owners and trainers said. Then I turned 16.

Coach Pants 09-07-2010 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 693244)
My opinion of him is this.... From day 1 they wanted to go long with him. Repole was on Capital Otb Monday, I believe him. Everything he is doing now is on raw talent. Its likely one more race then BC. When he comes back sometime in Jan-Feb thats when I think we see the new horse. I could be wrong, but I just think there is a world of talent bottled up in this guy.
You're probably confusing talent with jizz.

RockHardTen1985 09-07-2010 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 693248)
I remember when I used to believe everything owners and trainers said. Then I turned 16.
OK


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