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richard 10-04-2010 06:33 PM
Singletary comes to mind . King Cugat, Chester House, Riskaverse .

The Indomitable DrugS 10-04-2010 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by richard (Post 703310)
Singletary comes to mind . King Cugat, Manndar, Chester House .
Manndar never even raced at age 2. Chester House didn't run in America until the BC Classic. King Cugat was beaten in both of his Graded Stakes tries on turf at age 2.

For every Singletary, Artie Schiller, Paradise Creek etc .. there's a lot of forgotten ones .. a few from the 90's that I had saved on my comp...

American Day:



Crypic Rascal:



Promontory Gold: (dam was Possibly Perfect)



Swamp:

richard 10-04-2010 06:48 PM
Correct on Manndar . In general your point that good turf horses peak later in their careers seems vaild .

Dahoss 10-04-2010 06:48 PM
Wow, I forgot all about Cryptic Rascal. He looked like the next coming of Lure early on.

Indian Charlie 10-04-2010 07:01 PM
American Day's (half to Best Pal) turf msw was one of the most awesome maiden wins I've ever seen.

It really was a thing of beauty, seeing him win that day. The two most recent that I would rate in the same ballpark would be Barbaro's and Indian Charlie's.

The latter two however, were debut performances.

blackthroatedwind 10-04-2010 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss (Post 703318)
Wow, I forgot all about Cryptic Rascal. He looked like the next coming of Lure early on.
Didn't Billy Badgett train him?

Indian Charlie 10-04-2010 07:02 PM
Whatever happened to Promontory Gold?

I have seen no progeny from him.

hockey2315 10-04-2010 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 703326)
Didn't Billy Badgett train him?
Yes

Linny 10-04-2010 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 703304)
When I tried to rate the best 2yo turf horses of both genders during the last decade - and the 90's - I was pretty surprised how so many of them didn't develop or improve all that much going forward. I probably considered 50 or 60 or so horses in total... so it was very surprising to me. A lot of them were close to forgotten horses.

Although, a small few of them did become very good dirt horses. Barbaro, Peace Rules, and Big Brown.

Interactif was outstanding in his first two turf races last year - and he's 1-for-7 this year with the lone win a nose victory in the Hall of Fame .. and that's pretty good maturation in relation to a lot of the others I considered.
Incurable Optimist was a very good grass 2yo. The much maligned Pioneer of the Nile was a nice grass 2yo as well.

NoLuvForPletch 10-04-2010 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 703302)
The configuration of the two courses led to the different paces as is always the case in 1 1/16 races on the two courses. As for things being theoretically deep inside....there is more proof the other way. The third finisher was down inside most of the way and the first two finishers are significantly better than the rest of the field. No disrespect to your horse, but the race was bet very strangely, and the winner should have been a MUCH shorter price.

As for Winter Memories, she's obviously a nice horse, and I'm happy for Jimmy Toner, but it's a little premature to crown her a future champion.
None taken. Based on pedigree, the 4 is a very nice horse. He did nothing on the racetrack that made him any better than DC.

His maiden breaker went in the same time, on the same course, with the same varient as our debut. I'm still trying to figure out how his Beyer was 6 pts higher?

WM is a lovely filly.

blackthroatedwind 10-04-2010 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch (Post 703353)
None taken. Based on pedigree, the 4 is a very nice horse. He did nothing on the racetrack that made him any better than DC.

His maiden breaker went in the same time, on the same course, with the same varient as our debut. I'm still trying to figure out how his Beyer was 6 pts higher?

WM is a lovely filly.
Not true at all. His maiden win was a very impressive effort. He was close to an extremely fast pace and held off all the closers. Last time, in the With Anticipation, he was badly squeezed at the start, resulting in him actually being last very early, and still managed a respectable race.

I wish you extremely well with Dual Citizenship....but he has never run as well as the winner.

iamthelurker 10-05-2010 03:24 PM
I remember Swamp, he was fun to watch.

blackthroatedwind 10-05-2010 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by iamthelurker (Post 703724)
I remember Swamp, he was fun to watch.
Go to class.

The Indomitable DrugS 10-05-2010 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Linny (Post 703349)
Incurable Optimist was a very good grass 2yo. The much maligned Pioneer of the Nile was a nice grass 2yo as well.
IO was the one I considered best of the 90's.

PotN wasn't even under consideration. He was 1-for-2 on the turf - a 4th to Ninth Client and a one length win over Lime Rickey in a MSW ... both races with figures in the 70's. Hardly Incurable Optimist esque.

VOL JACK 10-05-2010 09:27 PM
Speaking of impressive debuts on grass.
affirmatif's was as good as it gets.
(As a 3yo)
Look at what a slug he's turned out to be.

blackthroatedwind 10-05-2010 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by VOL JACK (Post 703958)
Speaking of impressive debuts on grass.
affirmatif's was as good as it gets.
(As a 3yo)
Look at what a slug he's turned out to be.
But, and thankfully, people keep betting him.

chucklestheclown 10-05-2010 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 703973)
But, and thankfully, people keep betting him.
Didn't you tell them to?

iamthelurker 10-06-2010 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 703739)
Go to class.
I really dont like when you say that.

GPK 10-07-2010 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 703304)
When I tried to rate the best 2yo turf horses of both genders during the last decade - and the 90's - I was pretty surprised how so many of them didn't develop or improve all that much going forward. I probably considered 50 or 60 or so horses in total... so it was very surprising to me. A lot of them were close to forgotten horses.

Although, a small few of them did become very good dirt horses. Barbaro, Peace Rules, and Big Brown.

Interactif was outstanding in his first two turf races last year - and he's 1-for-7 this year with the lone win a nose victory in the Hall of Fame .. and that's pretty good maturation in relation to a lot of the others I considered.
English Channel only raced 1 time as a 2YO. He turned out pretty decent after that.

Clip-Clop 10-08-2010 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GPK (Post 704748)
English Channel only raced 1 time as a 2YO. He turned out pretty decent after that.
He was the man.


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