unfortunately it in the hands of people who have been proven incapable time after time (not just you dumbo's.. the "conservatives" also).

Our politicians are on the same level as Bernie Madoff.. though they deal in trillions, not billions.

any many many many many many Americans do plan Riot. Including people my age and younger. We arent as dumb as you think we are.

That's the price of real freedom, the kind guaranteed by the proper and strict constructionalist view of the Constitution: some people may make the wrong choices, and they alone should pay the price for that.

I don't care if it's not planning for retirement, having too many cheeseburgers, or having unprotected relations with the wrong people -- if you did it, you own it. I have the freedom and the right not to be burdened for someone else's bad judgement. That's what freedom is.

The nanny state and all its ilk should never have gotten as far as it has, and it should be dismantled piece-by-piece and immediately.

"Your freedom to be you includes my freedom to be free from you." -Andrew Wilkow.

You said "take money from your elderly, non working citizens".

How many people 50 year olds and under (20 or more years from SS at the proposed age) are considered elderly, non-working citizens?

Is 50 the new 70?

Did you miss the part where I said, "You (the general you, not you specifically)"

I know you have a retirement account, you've mentioned it here before.

Ah. Many disagree. But you certainly are entitled to your opinion.

I didn't. See above.

I don't really care why some people get pissed at me. From my point of view it seems to be because they can't read, and they make false assumptions

I'm going by the percentage of people with savings, what percentages of income they save, the number of bankruptcies, etc. There are plenty of surveys and studies on this. Yes, some do plan, but a whole lot do not.

You brought up dumb. Not me.

you are the queen of the backtrack, but there is no way your last statement wasnt directed towards me.

but I'll let it go.

Who are the "many people" that feel like everyone else's retirement should be paid from the hard workers' paycheck?

I guess that is why I'll never be able to be a liberal, I cannot for the life of me grasp that understanding.

Psst ... the money is taken from them, and as a result they do not have it when they are elderly, non-working citizens. Follow?

My last statement was directed to the "opinion", not to you personally.

My, thank goodness!

ROFLMAO.

Okay, continue:

Social Security isn't supposed to "pay for retirement", it's a social program. A fallback. Because some Americans care about their fellow citizens.

The "many people"? Pretty much every President since Roosevelt in the mid-1930's, the majority of our elected Congress and Senate since. The citizens of the US. All have rejected eliminating social security.

Nope. That might have been the original motivations of some legitimately kind, but misguided, people.

It persists not because "some Americans care about their fellow citizens", but because all Americans are coerced into surrendering about 16% of their income to the program. I deliberately say 16% because the "you pay 8% and your employer pays 8%" is utter nonsense. The employee pays it all, just like every other tax. You can bin it up any way you like, but the fact is your employer, should you be enough of a sucker to work, views it as "the cost to employ John Q. Public"

I would say Social Security persists because the majority of American citizens over the past 70 years have wanted it to persist. If they did not want it, they could easily have elected representatives that would repeal it. They haven't.

I think that it is a real stretch to determine that from what he said. The truth is the jist of what he said is that SS should be reformed and it is hard to argue that isnt true. While it may not be from the conservative playbook that I supposedly read from, I think that he has made two good points about raising the age and not paying out to people who dont really need the SS (ie, wealthy people). I'm surprised that you wouldnt praise him for talking of taking money from rich people?

It persists because the govt lacks the funds to pay everyone that has paid into it back. The idea that compassion determines anything that is done in Washington outside of Barney Franks townhouse is laughable.

Never let the truth get in the way of a Riot post!

I think it's self-evident. From the words and stuff ;)

Nonsense. Just vote in people to repeal it. Gather your fellow citizens. Stop further collections immediately. Let the payout be pro-rated among those that have contributed until it's all gone. Easy.

Amazing that you think "payback" is the only thing standing in the way of eliminating social security.

Amazing that you, too, think "payback" is the only thing standing in the way of eliminating social security.

Right ;)

lol
my 'we're not broke' was really tongue in cheek...but after all, if the president wants to keep spending, then we must not be broke...right? :D

Amazing that you think that it is possible.

You pluck one sentence and twist it. Typically I might add. Interestingly enough you felt the need to add that he is a GOP Senator in your title. Now if Obama had said the same thing you'd be right on board. I'm still waiting to hear your opinion of the important things that he said about reforming SS. I guess it would pain you too much to agree with him about that. Or it just wouldnt fit into the agenda...