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hockey2315 06-27-2010 11:40 PM

not at all

The Indomitable DrugS 06-27-2010 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by alysheba4 (Post 662456)
does it seem like a low number for devil:confused:

It's a respectable figure for a Gr 1 stakes winning 3yo filly. Blind Luck and Evening Jewel ran 94's in the KY Oaks.

I also think the Mother Goose was a race DMC can improve on going forward.

Kasept 06-28-2010 06:05 AM

WO-King Edward S (G2): Grand Adventure 104 (M. Frostad/P. Husbands)
WO-Victoria Park S: Exhi 100 (T. Pletcher/R. Albarado)

MTH-Blue Sparkler S: Way With Words 89 (M. Eppler/E. Castro)
MTH Crank It Up S: Greeley's Rocket 87 (W. Calhoun/J. Rose)

HOL-Kerlan Memorial H: My Summer Slew 97 (C. Dollase/A. Quinonez)

Left Bank 06-28-2010 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 662321)
Race shapes, going forwards and backwards, are a central part of my handicapping. Plus, it's fun to decipher and try to predict.

I'll try to watch the WO race, though they aren't on racereplays.com.

http://www.youtube.com/user/WEGReplays
Woodbine replay channel

blackthroatedwind 06-28-2010 07:58 PM

Thanks.

Good channel too. Thanks for alerting me to it.

blackthroatedwind 06-28-2010 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 662316)

On a related noted, and to see how COMPETENT stewards operate, check out the replay of WO 6/23/10 R4. I had an exacta box 1-7 and it appeared to be good UNTIL the 4 came out and caused the 2 to cut off the 7. In NY they take the 4 down.

But they did, and rightfully so, take the 4 down. You don't think they would have in NY? I think they would have....and you know I'm not being a " homer " here.

the_fat_man 06-28-2010 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 662458)
I also think the Mother Goose was a race DMC can improve on going forward.

Does this mean that the Lawyer Ron elixir is back?:rolleyes:

Seriously, she won impressively but how in the world does she get a better trip?

Perfect trip in the Bonnie Miss. Perfect trip Saturday. Does she have an 'against the grain' effort in her?

cmorioles 06-28-2010 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS (Post 662413)
Shadowbdancing won a 300K Grade 2 for older males with a 94.

Yeah - that was some field.

I have a hard time believing that is the best those horses could do. The times seem consistent with the Derby and the Oaks, but this one just seems off. I may have to do some hand timing, especially considering this isn't a distance that has been run since the same race the year prior.

blackthroatedwind 06-28-2010 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 662682)
Does this mean that the Lawyer Ron elixir is back?:rolleyes:

Seriously, she won impressively but how in the world does she get a better trip?

Perfect trip in the Bonnie Miss. Perfect trip Saturday. Does she have an 'against the grain' effort in her?

Yes, the Frizette. She made a premature move in a collapsing pace and still won.

RockHardTen1985 06-28-2010 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 662682)
Does this mean that the Lawyer Ron elixir is back?:rolleyes:

Seriously, she won impressively but how in the world does she get a better trip?

Perfect trip in the Bonnie Miss. Perfect trip Saturday. Does she have an 'against the grain' effort in her?

Wont a horse with her style pull a perfect trip more times then not? Especially with a guy like JV who does not know where the rail is, the clear, close range stalking trip is what she is likely to pull.

the_fat_man 06-28-2010 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 662689)
Yes, the Frizette. She made a premature move in a collapsing pace and still won.

She was inside the 2nd horse and got the jump on her as that one got stuck behind horses and took a while to change leads in the lane. I don't think that move was premature and she certainly got a better trip than the runner up. The same way she got a better trip than Biofuel.

When she tried to make a genuine against the grain run in the Silverbulletday, she got gutted.

blackthroatedwind 06-28-2010 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 662693)
She was inside the 2nd horse and got the jump on her as that one got stuck behind horses and took a while to change leads in the lane. I don't think that move was premature and she certainly got a better trip than the runner up. The same way she got a better trip than Biofuel.

When she tried to make a genuine against the grain run in the Silverbulletday, she got gutted.

I don't agree.

The Silverbulletday is clearly a throwout.

the_fat_man 06-28-2010 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662690)
Wont a horse with her style pull a perfect trip more times then not? Especially with a guy like JV who does not know where the rail is, the clear, close range stalking trip is what she is likely to pull.

That's very true. But there's a difference between having the speed/ability to sit behind the pacesetter and then be able to hold off the closers and what happened in the Mother Goose or the Bonnie Miss.

Consider for a moment what happens if Biofuel doesn't break bad and then isn't asked on the turn.

RockHardTen1985 06-28-2010 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 662694)
I don't agree.

The Silverbulletday is clearly a throwout.

She totally freaked at the gate, gave them a hard time loading and from watching the replay she never at any point settled.

RockHardTen1985 06-28-2010 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 662695)
That's very true. But there's a difference between having the speed/ability to sit behind the pacesetter and then be able to hold off the closers and what happened in the Mother Goose or the Bonnie Miss.

Consider for a moment what happens if Biofuel doesn't break bad and then isn't asked on the turn.

Im trying to understand but not seeing it. I think DMC is much better then Biofuel, and actually wants to go longer so I dont see Biofuel making up the ground on her at Saratoga "CCOA, Alabama"

the_fat_man 06-28-2010 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 662696)
She totally freaked at the gate, gave them a hard time loading and from watching the replay she never at any point settled.

In other words, she tried to make an early run against a loose horse and threw up her lunch.

But she certainly had no trouble sitting behind 3 horses that were going at it in the Bonnie Miss and strutting her stuff late.

cmorioles 06-28-2010 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 662698)
In other words, she tried to make an early run against a loose horse and threw up her lunch.

But she certainly had no trouble sitting behind 3 horses that were going at it in the Bonnie Miss and strutting her stuff late.

You completely discount the gate incident? That doesn't make much sense, and also the fact the race was first of a couple month layoff and clearly not a goal of the connections make it a toss.

the_fat_man 06-28-2010 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles (Post 662699)
You completely discount the gate incident? That doesn't make much sense, and also the fact the race was first of a couple month layoff and clearly not a goal of the connections make it a toss.

All I'm saying is that the horse can win with good trips and has yet to win with a bad trip. If she's so good, where's her 'adversity' race. Where's her Rachel Alexandra Preakness or Woodward race? Hell, where's her race where she got a worse trip than the runner up?

I didn't see the SBD, so I have no idea what happened at the gate. I do know, however, that the start (and what happened subsequently) pretty much eliminated Biofuel in the MG.

cmorioles 06-28-2010 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man (Post 662702)
All I'm saying is that the horse can win with good trips and has yet to win with a bad trip. If she's so good, where's her 'adversity' race. Where's her Rachel Alexandra Preakness or Woodward race? Hell, where's her race where she got a worse trip than the runner up?

I didn't see the SBD, so I have no idea what happened at the gate. I do know, however, that the start (and what happened subsequently) pretty much eliminated Biofuel in the MG.

I don't think she is all that great, but what 3yo really is?

The trouble before the race was pretty substantial.

The Indomitable DrugS 06-28-2010 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind (Post 662689)
Yes, the Frizette. She made a premature move in a collapsing pace and still won.

Wow! I just got sort of like a by proxy reply from BindTortureWound.

I feel so acknowledged.


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