Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 659444)

Midnight Lute might be the best sprinter EVER.
I totally agree about Speightstown though, I might have jumped the gun.

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground (Post 659484)

ever??? this might come as a surprise but there was horse racing prior to 2003. midnight lute was very good, but best sprinter ever? not even close.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 659505)

His triple of the Forgo, and 2 Breeders Cup sprint wins are as good as it gets.
On fast, sloppy and synthetics...
If I am wrong, its not by much... and I said "might be the best ever" not that he is

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground (Post 659509)

hes not even close to being the best sprinter ever. where would a horse like artax rank on your all time best sprinters list?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 659517)

Behind Groovy and Phone Trick

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground (Post 659525)

yep. i was using him as an example because he was another horse who had a few monster races. no one is going to call him maybe the best sprinter ever.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 659430)

9/1,4,7/all

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 659394)

Race-1: 8f - Dirt

1) Commentator
2) Congaree
3) Criminal Type
4) Discreet Cat
5) Ghostzapper
6) Gulch
7) Holy Bull
8) Rubiano
9) Spectacular Bid

Race-2: 12f - Dirt

1) Affirmed
2) A.P Indy
3) Creme Fraiche
4) Easy Goer
5) John Henry
6) Point Given
7) Risen Star
8) Slew o Gold
9) Temperence Hill

Race-3: 6f - Dirt

1) Benny the Bull
2) Fabulous Strike
3) Housebuster
4) Kona Gold
5) Lost in the Fog
6) Midnight Lute
7) Orientate
8) Speightstown
9) Xtra Heat

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground (Post 659525)

yep. i was using him as an example because he was another horse who had a few monster races. no one is going to call him maybe the best sprinter ever.

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985 (Post 659573)

Any race ML would be in vs a group of "the best ever" would set up for his style, I have no doubt in my mind he would be competitive with all of these.

Originally Posted by miraja2 (Post 659394)

It is been awhile since we've had hypo races, so I thought I'd throw a few together because certain other discussions in the Horse Racing universe have grown a bit....umm....tiresome. The criteria I used for the fields was just horses born in 1975 or later. Also, I am not claiming that the nine horses I included in each field are the BEST possible choices. In fact, in a couple of cases I put in horses that I don't personally believe to be among the top-9, simply because I thought their inclusion might make for a more entertaining discusion.
So.....how would you guys play these races? If you had to play a Pick-3 here, what would the ticket look like? etc.

Belmont Park - Fast track - (assume all horses are in good form, have their regular jock, etc.)

Race-1: 8f - Dirt

1) Commentator
2) Congaree
3) Criminal Type
4) Discreet Cat
5) Ghostzapper
6) Gulch
7) Holy Bull
8) Rubiano
9) Spectacular Bid

Race-2: 12f - Dirt

1) Affirmed
2) A.P Indy
3) Creme Fraiche
4) Easy Goer
5) John Henry
6) Point Given
7) Risen Star
8) Slew o Gold
9) Temperence Hill

Race-3: 6f - Dirt

1) Benny the Bull
2) Fabulous Strike
3) Housebuster
4) Kona Gold
5) Lost in the Fog
6) Midnight Lute
7) Orientate
8) Speightstown
9) Xtra Heat

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground (Post 659576)

he was a nice horse who was compromised because he was so big. he had gate issues due to his size. but lets be a little realistic about him.

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie (Post 659579)

He had breathing issues.

Baffert maintained all along that he was cut out to be a router and that without the breathing issue, he'd have been an unstoppable force going long.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 659517)

Behind Groovy and Phone Trick