Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 658516)

Here are the 17 horses claimed off of them at the meet so far:

Tatibitati claimed for $10K 6/12: Hasn't run back
Miss M V P claimed for $17.5K 6/11: Hasn't run back
G L Kiwi claimed for $5K 6/11: Hasn't run back
Exchanging Kisses claimed for $25K 6/10: Hasn't run back
Alarming Afleet claimed for $7.5K 6/6: Entered back MTO Friday
Light My Saphire claimed for $5K 6/5: Hasn't run back
Embers Glowing claimed for $16K 6/5: Hasn't run back
It's About Image claimed for $10K 6/3: Hasn't run back
Dino Dominic claimed for $5K 5/23: 5th in race from which he was claimed, 10th in next start 6/13 at same level
Jansdream claimed for $10K 5/22: Won conditoned N3L day of claim, last of 8 next out against NW1X allowance company at 11-1
Miles and Miles claimed for $5K 5/21: Entered on the lawn Friday on class hike
Wake Up Now claimed for $5K 5/14: 2nd next out when shipped to Fairmount
Stepaside claimed for $16K 5/13: Hasn't run back
Flying by the Pole claimed for $10K 5/13: 4th in conditioned N3L day of claim, last of 6 next out in $35K stakes race at Canterbury 5/31, then 5th against $40K N3L company at AP 6/11
Big Al claimed for $10K 5/9: 2nd against open 10K foes day of claim, 5th next out when hiked into $16K starter allowance
Sarah's Tiger claimed for $17.5K 5/6: 10th and 6th in next two starts against slightly tougher
Proud Expression claimed for $16K 5/2: 2nd against open $16K 3yos day of claim, last of 5 against 3-up $25K N3L claimers next out

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 658530)

I may be told otherwise from my limited plays from Arlington this year, but Catalano is not as effective without the Calabrese angle, sure he still wins at a good rate but it's not as outerworldly as once was.

Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 658539)

Thanks for the info Brian. Doesn't look like any have really stepped up off of the claim...although most have only run back once or twice.

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE (Post 658544)

even so they will probably continue a downward spiral or just disapear

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 658540)

He isnt claiming much anymore, has a completely different type of barn now.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 658541)

Most have run in seemingly ridiculous spots post claim.

2 horses claimed out of the 10nw3 level ran back in a stake and an allowance race. :wf

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 658547)

I don't want to put you in a difficult position, but don't you find Calabrese seems to move up trainer's? I don't remember kid Canani ever being so proficient that is until he started training for this stable, claiming or not Calabrese seems to have the 'edge' regardless who trains for him.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 658554)

Of course he does. Chuck and any decent trainer could win with 35% of his starters if he had a deep-pocketed owner who was willing to spend $35,000 on a claim just to drop it in for $10,000 six weeks later without starting it in between.

Not sure if you follow Arlington much, but that claim -> ridiculous drop probably covers about 80% of the entries coming from this team -- horses running for at least a 50% reduction in the tag for which they were claimed.

Doubt Chuck will get put in a difficult position by admitting he'd be thrilled to have an owner who didn't care about losing horses for less than he paid for them, didn't care about losing money over the course of the meet, and only wanted to win races at any cost.

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 658547)

I don't want to put you in a difficult position, but don't you find Calabrese seems to move up trainer's? I don't remember kid Canani ever being so proficient that is until he started training for this stable, claiming or not Calabrese seems to have the 'edge' regardless who trains for him.

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 658559)

I don't watch Arlington religiously enough to know but I suspect I know the answer, I would be interested just how horses do once they leave the Calabrese barn, that to me is a much more useful and interesting stat as a capper.

Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 658550)

How long is jail time in Illinois...before the new connections can run the horse back in the same spot or drop it even lower?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 658561)

You have an edge when your guy is willing to lose to win. Plus they have other "advantages" having nothing to do with substances or devices placed in or on horses. The FCC payroll may include many individuals.


They also are the the big fish in a little pond here. there really is no one to keep them honest. An owner with some cash and desire could give them a run for their money.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell (Post 658561)

You have an edge when your guy is willing to lose to win. Plus they have other "advantages" having nothing to do with substances or devices placed in or on horses. The FCC payroll may include many individuals.


They also are the the big fish in a little pond here. there really is no one to keep them honest. An owner with some cash and desire could give them a run for their money.

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE (Post 658564)

Hello Michael Gill !

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 658565)

It's guys like this that make bettors look for other options, that is why I like Monmouth so much now, you have a bunch of cheaters and claimers out there. An equal playing field.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer (Post 658562)

It's your lucky day then -- that info is all above earlier in the thread.

Originally Posted by CSC (Post 658565)

It's guys like this that make bettors look for other options, that is why I like Monmouth so much now, you have a bunch of cheaters and claimers out there.

Originally Posted by Duvalier (Post 658571)

If that's what they are doing...just entering horses at huge discounted prices to win races it's not cheating.