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MaTH716 06-03-2010 09:38 AM

Also getting lost in the midst of this crime, is that catch by Austin Jackson in the 9th. Wow!

timmgirvan 06-03-2010 10:37 AM

umpire shoulda been moving towards second base to get the angle...lazy....he should be fined.

ateamstupid 06-03-2010 10:38 AM

MLB might be reviewing/overturning the call. While I'm sure baseball purists won't want to see that, it's the right thing to do, for both Galarraga and Joyce.

MaTH716 06-03-2010 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan (Post 653544)
umpire shoulda been moving towards second base to get the angle...lazy....he should be fined.

He couldn't, Miggy had to go to his right to get the ball. It was probably an easier play for the 2nd baseman who was behind Caberra. So there was really nowhere else Joyce could go without possibly interfering with the play.

timmgirvan 06-03-2010 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 653547)
He couldn't, Miggy had to go to his right to get the ball. It was probably an easier play for the 2nd baseman who was behind Caberra. So there was really nowhere else Joyce could go without possibly interfering with the play.

as long as he stayed behing the basepath/play he woulda be fine to get angle

MaTH716 06-03-2010 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 653546)
MLB might be reviewing/overturning the call. While I'm sure baseball purists won't want to see that, it's the right thing to do, for both Galarraga and Joyce.

Obviously it would be the right thing to do. The kid would get into the books where he deserves to be. But I'm not sure how I feel about it. The whole blown call deal took the starch out of the moment that he and the Tigers deserved. Also, I do think it's a dangerous precedent that MLB would be setting.

ninetoone 06-03-2010 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 653546)
MLB might be reviewing/overturning the call. While I'm sure baseball purists won't want to see that, it's the right thing to do, for both Galarraga and Joyce.

I agree with this.

MaTH716 06-03-2010 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan (Post 653548)
as long as he stayed behing the basepath/play he woulda be fine to get angle

He was were he belonged. If for some reason he thought he was out of position he should have asked for help and then maybe the right call would have been made.

Antitrust32 06-03-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan (Post 653544)
umpire shoulda been moving towards second base to get the angle...lazy....he should be fined.

Cabrera should have let the second baseman field the ball and stayed on first and we wouldnt have this situation! He would have been out by a mile! (though a half step is still technically a mile in baseball)

Still doesnt change the fact that it was a blown call and was, for real, a perfect game... but I wonder why the 1st basemen had to field that ball.

timmgirvan 06-03-2010 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716 (Post 653554)
He was were he belonged. If for some reason he thought he was out of position he should have asked for help and then maybe the right call would have been made.

Seriously, I did this for awhile..2-3 steps and he gets the whole panarama of play. He should've been willing to ask for help.

Bigsmc 06-03-2010 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 653546)
MLB might be reviewing/overturning the call. While I'm sure baseball purists won't want to see that, it's the right thing to do, for both Galarraga and Joyce.

What about every other blow call? Changing this call would set a very dangerous precedent.

Let this play be the final push towards replay. Fix it going forward and move on.

ateamstupid 06-03-2010 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc (Post 653564)
What about every other blow call? Changing this call would set a very dangerous precedent.

Let this play be the final push towards replay. Fix it going forward and move on.

What about them? No one's asking for sweeping reviews. How often are calls like this made? It's the only way to remedy the situation. Instating replay doesn't give Galarraga his perfect game and it doesn't help Joyce overcome this red mark.

ninetoone 06-03-2010 11:29 AM

They need to make yesterday right AND make some changes for the future as well.

horseofcourse 06-03-2010 11:31 AM

What about the blown call in the bottom of the 8th that allowed Detroit to score 2 additional runs and make it 3-0 going to the 9th rather than 1-0??. Why is nobody talking about that?? Reversing the call would be the biggest travesty in the history of baseball. It would be disgraceful. You can't do it. Why not reverse the '85 Orta safe call and have a bunch of 60 year old men go replay the World Series from that point on...no?? A blown call is a blown call be it in the 2nd inning of a 12-0 game or with 2 outs in the 9th of a potential perfect game.

ninetoone 06-03-2010 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse (Post 653567)
What about the blown call in the bottom of the 8th that allowed Detroit to score 2 additional runs and make it 3-0 going to the 9th rather than 1-0??. Why is nobody talking about that?? Reversing the call would be the biggest travesty in the history of baseball. It would be disgraceful. You can't do it. Why not reverse the '85 Orta safe call and have a bunch of 60 year old men go replay the World Series from that point on...no?? A blown call is a blown call be it in the 2nd inning of a 12-0 game or with 2 outs in the 9th of a potential perfect game.

there's been 20 perfect games in MLB history. I'd say that makes it a little different.

Bigsmc 06-03-2010 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid (Post 653565)
What about them? No one's asking for sweeping reviews. How often are calls like this made? It's the only way to remedy the situation. Instating replay doesn't give Galarraga his perfect game and it doesn't help Joyce overcome this red mark.

It is truly a shame Joey, but changing the outcome after the fact does not change the call. It happened, Joyce owned up to it and Galarraga has accepted the apology with class.

I am by no means a purist, but I don't want the Commissioner of any league stepping in and changing the outcome of a game. Selig is a doddering old fool, the less he influences the game the better.

horseofcourse 06-03-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone (Post 653570)
there's been 20 perfect games in MLB history. I'd say that makes it a little different.

doesn't matter. There's been lots of blown calls. You simply can't reverse one single call based on when the blown call occurred. It is completely nonsensical in any debate on the subject. As others have said, use it to go to replay henceforth or accept it as a blown call as every other blown call in major league history has been accepted.

SniperSB23 06-03-2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone (Post 653570)
there's been 20 perfect games in MLB history. I'd say that makes it a little different.


So now we want to add one with an asterisk?

ninetoone 06-03-2010 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23 (Post 653579)
So now we want to add one with an asterisk?

I'm sure some people will want an asterisk, but why? Did you see the replay?

SniperSB23 06-03-2010 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone (Post 653581)
I'm sure some people will want an asterisk, but why? Did you see the replay?

Yeah, it was a blown call and it sucks. I feel bad for the guy (and the ump). But that is baseball and hopefully this blown call leads to instant replay but I don't really like the idea of retroactively changing calls. Are they going to go back to every game in the MLB library where the pitcher had 26 straight outs before giving up a hit and check that every single one was truly a hit? Then what, do we have to look at no hitters next? Shutouts? Should anyone that hit .398 or .399 in a season have all their hits reviewed to see if there were any they were robbed of by a bad call and we should now give them a .400 season?


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